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Ben Kenobi is offline Ben Kenobi
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If you can;t see the difference in the quality of writing and wit between the two, then you are sad.




So you believe Michael Moore to be the epitome of wit? How would you gage wit, Gepap?

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So you believe Michael Moore to be the epitome of wit? How would you gage wit, Gepap?


Oh, he most certainly is NOT the epitome of wit by a long shot, Oscar Wilde is witty. Micheal Moore has a few Good lines here or there, but he is a better film maker, in terms at least of editing and pacing. Ann Coulter has shown NO decernible merit, either in her ideas, or her writing skills. She she is like a rabid chihuahua- tennacious, rabid, with a certain amount of insane zeal and determination, but intellectually empty.

So, in terms of Wit (with interesting points of interest)

Wilde>Shakespeare>Creator of Dilbert>Creator of Zits>Micheal Moore>a roll of toilet paper>dirt>Ann Coulter>an atom.

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If she hates the 'liberal media' so much, why's she submiting collumns to them?


What does she have to lose? Either they publish her writing, or they reject her.

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I tend to agree with the newspaper when they said that this piece was "unussable" and "not funny" I think they're looking for political commentary that might actually have some insight into the democratic convention, rather than this article full of childish name-calling and vitriolic frothing that barely even mentions the convention at all.


Which is why I would not use Coulter for a balanced assessment of the convention. She's a satirist, with a popular niche.

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The only people who take her serious are herself, and fellow lunatics.


Even Coulter enjoys the reactions she gets from her articles. She doesn't believe in what she writes, but she does come near enough to the mark to provoke others.

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Republicans and conservatives are usually the first to say what a nutjob she is, because they're the ones actually threatened by her (through association).


Am I not a conservative? I don't feel threatened by her, or by what she writes, since I could care less what liberals think about her. I understand why she is writing, and it's a unfulfilled niche.

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"Liberals" just laugh at her desperation and bittnerness.


Then why don't they publish her so they can all point and laugh? Old age is uncomfortable when dry bones are mentioned in the proverb.

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Have you seen her interviewed or read transcripts? She takes herself completely seriously, and she expects people people to do the same.


I have read an interview, and the complete opposite picture emerges, of someone who enjoys her approach.

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but there is nothing clever or subtle about her writings - it's all vicious, desperate, hateful frothing.


No, it's not subtle, but neither is this an age which appreciates subtlety.

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I have seen times in when Coulter makes some vicious little joke, it falls flat while she expected it to sell like hotcakes.

I think if we did a poll here of simply conservatives, you Ben are THE SOLE person who thinks anything of her save "insane *****"

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Ann Coulter has shown NO decernible merit, either in her ideas, or her writing skills. She she is like a rabid chihuahua- tennacious, rabid, with a certain amount of insane zeal and determination, but intellectually empty.


Now, look at the powerful response she garners from you. Tenacious, zeal, rabid, determined.

Obviously there is something she writes to provoke such a reaction.

If there were no content, or the content was bland, then she would get no such reaction.

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I think if we did a poll here of simply conservatives, you Ben are THE SOLE person who thinks anything of her save "insane *****"


Apolyton is hardly representative of the population.

And I take your bet. What are your terms?

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Now, look at the powerful response she garners from you. Tenacious, zeal, rabid, determined.

Obviously there is something she writes to provoke such a reaction.

If there were no content, or the content was bland, then she would get no such reaction.




You don;t get it, do you? If a rabid chihuahua bit into your leg, I bet you would react strongly. You might even see a certain joy of life in its fiery insane eyes, in the way the spit flies off, in the way it holds on to your leg even as to try to shake the damned thing off.

But you would hardly attribute to it intellect, wit, anything close to "artistic merit", and nor would you take it any more seriously than as a massive irritant when the things gets too close.

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Apolyton is hardly representative of the population.

And I take your bet. What are your terms?


I said simply conservatives, not the whole group. Heck, we had a couple of conservatives stop by and they said she was nuts.

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You don;t get it, do you? If a rabid chihuahua bit into your leg, I bet you would react strongly. You might even see a certain joy of life in its fiery insane eyes, in the way the spit flies off, in the way it holds on to your leg even as to try to shake the damned thing off.


But that takes talent to write that way, to convey these emotions.

Thanks for demonstrating my point.

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It takes skill to do it the way she does.

Interresting to note that for you, insults and lies are 'skills'.

So let me try:

Could some english native help me.
When she says:
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As for the pretty girls, I can only guess that it's because liberal boys never try to make a move on you without the UN Security Council's approval.

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The people sporting shirts emblazened with the "F-word" are my opponents

Isn't the correct word patner?
Or is she liberal?
Or some cold-@ss b****, wanting to be with the men without being F-ed?

I think I get it, she must be lesbian!
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Also, as always, the pretty girls are on my side


OK, I'm afraid I'm not so 'skilled'... I lack training probably. Here in Europe, you can't be a professional insulter, that's against the law.
You are far too liberal in USA.

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But that takes talent to write that way, to convey these emotions.

Thanks for demonstrating my point.


you are close to hopeless, but here we go:

I bet deep down, many conservatives want to think the thoughts she writes down, utterly unoriginal, nasty things, but with a sort of energy of their own, just like people can get a kich out of aniumal cruelty or pedophelia. Common sense, self-control, and a basic human decency keep those ideas in check for most, but since Ann lacks all of those, she blurts whatever comes ito that nuggin of hers. These people get a vicarious thrill of seeing someone say what they don't dare say cause they know better-there is still an excitment.

Same with porn. It takes no wit NOR intelliegence to make money by showing people have sex. Pornography is not known for its wit-wit in pornography is beyond the point. And of course, porn is also popular.

Ann coulter peddles is right-wing intellectual pornography. Its that simple.

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I can only guess that it's because liberal boys never try to make a move on you without the UN Security Council's approval.


Which there is some truth...

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Or some cold-@ss b****, wanting to be with the men without being F-ed?


**** in this sense is used as a derogatory insult, not as the desire for sex.

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Here in Europe, you can't be a professional insulter, that's against the law.


But you can be a satirist, and there are plenty of those in Europe.

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Which there is some truth...


Bullshit you pussified conservative Christian....

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Bullshit you pussified conservative Christian....




I include myself in that assessment, KH.

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These people get a vicarious thrill of seeing someone say what they don't dare say


Which is not far from the mark.

Very perceptive!

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I include myself in that assessment, KH.


So you're a liberal now?

I don't get it. That really was rich, coming from you...

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So you're a liberal now?


In some things.

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I don't get it. That really was rich, coming from you...


Just because one is conservative in some things, does not mean that one is conservative in all things.

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But you can be a satirist, and there are plenty of those in Europe.

You can surely be a satirist without insulting.
When you interview most talented satirists, they always tell you that in fact they like their victims. And when you truely read what they say or portrait, you notice that it's true. It's rarely hatefull.
The best (I'm speaking of quality!) satires are made by those who like the politicians.

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In some things.


Liberal and *****-whipped are two separate issues. Just because you've decided to equate them (and so has Ann) doesn't make it so.

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We've got a male *****-whipped conservative and a female queen-of-the-harpies conservative agreeing that liberal boys are wimps.

Interesting.

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And when you truely read what they say or portrait, you notice that it's true. It's rarely hatefull.


And most of what Coulter says follows the same pattern, although she exaggerates the flaw.

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The best (I'm speaking of quality!) satires are made by those who like the politicians.


Not sure about this. I don't think Swift liked the politicians he portrayed in Gulliver's Travels.

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Liberal and *****-whipped are two separate issues. Just because you've decided to equate them (and so has Ann) doesn't make it so.


I would think it to be a common tendency, because the other men are considered neaderthals by the feminist movement, are they not?

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We've got a male *****-whipped conservative and a female queen-of-the-harpies conservative agreeing that liberal boys are wimps.


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Certain feminists, I'm sure, would call me a Neanderthal

Bootstrapping that into liberal boys are too polite to ask girls to **** is ridiculous. Especially as pansy-assedness regarding sexuality comes from both sides of the political spectrum. *cough* abstinence

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Am I not a conservative? I don't feel threatened by her, or by what she writes, since I could care less what liberals think about her.


Which is why you're giddy with glee, thinking this is all some joke and she's got 'the liberals' by the balls, right?


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Then why don't they publish her so they can all point and laugh? Old age is uncomfortable when dry bones are mentioned in the proverb.


As you mentioned earlier, they don't publish her because she's a crappy journalist.

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No, it's not subtle, but neither is this an age which appreciates subtlety.


Well it sure as heck isn't blatant mockery. And if it's not subtle mockery either, than I guess it's not mockery at all and actually what she thinks, and not some bizzare parody of 'the liberals'.

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i dislike coulter, and find her offensive.

yes, i'm still talking about the mineta and bataan death march thing.

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Why should I care if you're still talking about that?

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Why should I care if you're still talking about that?

because it's still a valid point.

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actually, **** it. none of you white people really give a damn, do you?

guess i should try harder in my quest for assimilation. which reminds me, i'm about to go get my hair bleached.

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actually, **** it. none of you white people really give a damn, do you?
Not really. We'd have to take her seriously to actually care about the reasons why someone hates her.

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Bootstrapping that into liberal boys are too polite to ask girls to **** is ridiculous.


You should tell that to Coulter. You'd probably turn her on.

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Especially as pansy-assedness regarding sexuality comes from both sides of the political spectrum. *cough* abstinence




Abstinence doesn't mean you have to ask for permission to kiss someone.

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But that takes talent to write that way, to convey these emotions.


So she can offend people, that doesn't take talent.

She's about on the same level of wit as Fred Phelps.

 
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