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GeoModder is offline GeoModder
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Here is the midsave (screenie on the last post of previous page).

My thoughts for the remainder of the turn are to let KP start another former which is rehomed to EM later, and let EM crank out another cp.
Also, since I'm more of a 'lose spreading' base setup I prefer the white 'B' site for founding a new colony.
And lastly, the new KP former is IMHO best of on the white circled tile for it's free nut/min benefits and being near all the other formers and the Canyon for forest planting later on.

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That unity rover is like gift from the heavens. cp escort and drone riots in EM are now solved.

- you may add my vote for a base on a white B. If the bases are then (22,54) and (26,62) we loose (24,58) from bases areas, unless there will be a sea colony to the north. but for me it's ok to loose this only tile. A forest might provide some resources later with a crawler.

- how about KP former making on (18,66) forest, or maybe better road+forest. if forest is there first, road will later require one more turn to make. forest may grow south and north too, though they prefer east direction. to the north there is flat tile, and to the south there is arid tile - good candidates for forests, I think.

Pros: former will enter (18.,66) along river - it's like free entrance to a tile. travell to 22,66 might take 1 or 2 full turns. In order to have it done in 1 turn only former would have to enter the tile without road with only 1/3 movement point - i guess small chance for succes. otherwise 2 full turns. and forest later grow by themselves - the sooner the better

Cons: forests may dry terrain to the east from them. If they make dry Nessus Canyon that would be a disaster.

- tile (22,66) might be prepared for entrance by making a road with one of the two formers making sensor arrays now.

2128 - completion of sensor
2129 - enter (21,65)
2130 - road
2131 - enter (22,66)
2132 - road
2133 - road completed

KP former (if forest aproved ofcourse)

2127 - enter + start road(18,66)
2128 - road completed
2129 - start forest
2130 - forest
2131 - forest
2132 - forest completed
2133 - moves to (22,66) using 2/3 movement (2 tiles) on just completed road, starts work on it with 1/3 left movement (no turn lost for movement)

I hope no mistake here in this above

- Probe team (25,61) IMHO if it goes back to fungus now it might encounter the mind.boil. There might be a land bridge to hive which that boil might use to go for makeing Yang a party, but if not - that zone is in my understanding danger zone. I can only wish that this boil will come out into open space without fungus next to a military unit with a movement point to spare for some energy from planetpearls. I am afraid for a colony pod, coz both white and yellow Bs are next to that fungus field. even with escort it might turn out quite bad
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I would forgot - chat with Yang:

"Greetings Datajack Roze most anarchistic from all of us and your followers the most thievieng..."
"I need access to your data files"
"What do I get for it?"
"Name your price"
"And allow you to infect us all with your insidious viruses? Yang out"

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  Old Post 12-08-2004 15:59
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Darn, really looks like we missed a chance here with Doc:Flex
One turn sooner and we would be in (foiling) business.
Btw, Spartans and Morgans just hopped over us in the Power Graph, and in the other Graph has Yang declined.

Has anyone tested if forests on river tiles also dry terrain?

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Sorry Mart, must have missed the new incoming with the 'server busy' annoyances.
'kay FF, midturn discussion and short future decision coming up.


Heh.

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2127 Midturn report
  • Popped the pod with 111, a nut tile and a free rover came out of it!!!
  • Used the rover then to pop the pod next to it (another nut tile) and let it move south then. The plan was now to leave the scout in EM (Mart was right, it grows next turn again) to avoid drone riots and use the rover instead as escort for the cp.
  • Changed productions in EM to a former, perhaps a cp again instead?
  • Still heard nothing for new production of KP, in 3 turns we can start to produce crawlers. Starting a Project already or another former (6 turns) and rehoming it to EM later?
  • We have one idle former in KP atm, do we let it start on the yellow circled tile for a farm+solar (1/1/1 now, 2/1/2 after terraforming) or sent it to the white circle (canyon tile) to construct a road for easier access and construct a solar collector there afterwards (2/2/0 now, 2/2/1 after terraforming). In the latter scenario the two formers south of Snowflake's can come to aid sooner when they're finished.
  • Also, for future basesite, the yellow or the white B? Yellow B is on a nut tile now which gives fast pop growth but is close to Kodycryptor. White B is a normal tile, and won't interfere so much with other base radii.

  • (gotta love the rover pods! about bloody time!)
  • Sounds good.
  • Another CP sounds better, just because we want to be the top team again on the PG, IMHO.
  • How about a few crawlers and after this latest cp in EM, start a SP such as Weather P there and just start pumping crawlers from KC to EM? EM seems to grow quickly, and that way we have basically two bases working on the SP instead of one.
  • Go with the yellow circle, IMHO. We get two +1s on that tile as opposed to one, and if we score the WP we may want to do something else with that 2/2/0 tile (condensor+farm?)
  • I'm thinking white B. While we don't get the nut bonus, we're not overcrowding KC as much.

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Btw, someone in the mood for contacting Yang again?


Mart?

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Edit: O yes, almost forgot, 111 has still one movement left, I propose to sent it back to where it came from. Back east in the fungus...


Sounds good.

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Going to look at the mid turn about now. Meantime white base and mArt has good point about road first then forest.

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'kay. Sofar base production of EM will change to cp.
I'll make a former in KP then (btw, only 4 turns for completion).
I'll follow Marts' and FF's preference for a road+forest tile on 18.66 then, but wonder why a road is necessary since the river gives free access anyway?

FF: Regarding our first SP, I thought KP would be the base to construct it?

It's gettin' difficult to let base workers work on prime sites for resources. About bloody time crawlers come into the scene.

I'm sitting on the turn for a few more hours 'till Herc does his say.

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... but wonder why a road is necessary since the river gives free access anyway?

it is not necessary at the moment, but eventualy we will need these roads. so maybe it is good to make it before a forest. river gives free access from 2 directions, so you know sometimes units are forced to make loops and "hooks" on the map - that's not very effective. and (18,66) looks also like a good spot for a highway down south to a rocky tile - future mine. and probably a base nearby

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'kay, sounds good. A road there will be.

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I've sit on the turn long enough.

  • KP former to 18.66, and started a road
  • Probe 111 back in the fungus
  • Changed production in EM from former to colony pod
  • Started former in KP

As usual, the white arrows indicate which way I plan to sent the units next turn.
O yes, the 'inland sea' label is just a placeholder, not definitive.

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And the pressend...

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Thanks for waiting, sorry I didn't get back. But OK with moves.

Two things,

Morgan have got wealth so lets guess their strategy.( HGP and then PTS ) and the implications eg what tech they now have. Did they get Plan Nets from Yang via us. or Will they build a probe defence net.?

I think Spartan have met Yang. He didn'y deny it but would trade the Comm.

I'll try again to see if he has met any of the others.





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Yah, Spartans meeting Yang was quite clear seen in hindsight (the 'Phalanx' and other remarks), but Morgan Wealth already?
Explains a bit how they hopped over in the Power Graph.

Damn that Hive former!! If not for that we would know already for sure!!

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Yeah that Hive former is a big nuisance

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Not much to tell except the two movements that didn't work out:
- CP jumped back to it's tile thus is stuck at it's tile atm.
- Probe jumped back as well, but at least a bit of the map is revealed.

This is the presend, if anyone wants to try out diplo conversations with Yang, go ahead. I'll post the turn in 9 hours from now if no-one cares to chat with our commie neighbour.

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O yes, I'm moving the AA to a base with a defender in it. Anyone has a prevalence for KP or EM?
Same for our northern probe: go some rock climbing or stalking the fungus to see if the Hive former left already.

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"Chairman Yang, It's a pleasure to talk with you"
"Greetings, Datajack, I hope you had your todays dirty sabotageing going well..."
"I have an important matter, I need to access your datalinks"
"Hmm, and what will I have from that?"
"An access to our datalinks"
"I understand that many people on this planet are very courteous, but I will be very sincere with you. You are just retarded dudes"
"Well... I thought that our relations might improve..."
"What do you have in mind?"
"A friendship treaty?"
"Uh, kh, khh, good joke, Datajack. Unfortunatelly I'm too busy for jokes today. Yang out."

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Ahum, I'm pretty sure that text is not in the diplo script...

I take it then that you did several attempts and on whatever issue (tech deal/treaty signing/com exchange)
draw a blank.
You do now that you can try several times with the same turn, Mart?

Well, I guess I simply post the turn then.

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yup I did three attempts.
I think talking with Yang always with the same words is boring. So I just moved a little away from the protocol...

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Not a good news - if you take a closer look on the northern border - hive synth have already popped one of the pods. what is more - both pods were connected with river, so he is able to pop the second pod also faster than us

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He might get unlucky and came across a MW...

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let's hope so... certainly would take care of that synth for us that way... hopefully.

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In due course I would move the AA to KP.

I had no luck with Yang either.

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Anyway, we better make sure we don't catch one of Yangs' units when IndAuto is researched, more chance he contacts us then in the 'real' turn and bribes us again.

What do we do if this happens? Give in (again)?

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Good point. I still feel we would have no choice. There is the option of offering it to him as a gift.

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hopefully we can trade it for something instead... like the turn of getting IA start some diplo testing by contacting yang and see what he says before moving units.

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You read my thoughts!!

Better that then that I stumble upon a new unit and have the same Maki had: an open turn and a demanding Yang on my nose.

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2129 is in. I looked through it and there are good news!

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Do I need to find out for myself or...

In short: it's safe to open the turn thus?

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All went well, just need to find out what to do with both formers on 23.63 now that they finished the sensor array. Do I let them follow the white arrow or the red arrow. The planting of a forest is best in both cases on the designated tile.

Or a write-in of course.

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The merit of sending them to KC is that they can construct a road to the north for a new base over there. The benefit from sending them one tile east is that a forest can be planted on that Ridge tile, thus offering our new base on the 'Inland Sea' a good tile to start with qua mineral/energy output.

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