09-08-2004 03:55									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D (no wonder Kloreep says you have no honor. )

con has lots of honour!!! (It's just a bit tarnished.....)

	09-08-2004 04:18									#62
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Im a diamond in the rough

	09-08-2004 05:15									#63
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Nominations are all in. Mine:
England
Portugal
India
Spain
Byzantines

Even though con obviously hacked my system in order to copy my list off the sheet of paper on my desk, we have a good variety of tribes to pick from. I'll post the final list with everyone's picks in a little while

I just tried generating a Y wrap map and deleting the start locations. A few problems: It doesn't just allow travel across the top and bottom borders, it generates land across that border. This might not be that bad, but the map I generated didn't come close to looking like a pangea, more like an archipelago actually.

The bigger problem is that it seems to have reassigned starting locations upon saving. I started a few SP games on it with different seafaring tribes and they all started at the same land-locked location.

I'll see if anyone in the mod forum has an idea if this can work, but I don't know if it's worth holding off on this game until we find out...

	09-08-2004 05:44									#64
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well make up your mind quickly, if I have to repick CIV's Id like to do it tonight.

I ot a busy week this week.

	09-08-2004 06:52									#65
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Nominations:
Snoopy:
Koreans, Aztecs, Zulu, Arabs, Hittites

Mickeyj:
Iroquois, English, Portuguese, Hittite, Dutch

Beta:
1. mongols, 2. zulus, 3. aztecs, 4. koreans, 5. russians

Kloreep:
Hittites, England, Germany, Mongols, Portugal

con:
Korea, England, India, Portugal, Spain

Rommel2D:
England, Portugal, India, Spain, Byzantines

Final Pool:
Aztecs
Arabs
Byzantines
Dutch
English
Germany
Hittites
India
Iroquois
Koreans
Mongols
Portugal
Russia
Spain
Zulu

[edit:missed Germany the first time...]

Rank all the Tribes in the pool, not including any of your own nominations, from one on up, starting with the most preferred.

The first unique request for a tribe gets it. For example, if two players pick England #1 , and another picks them #2, the player that ranked them second would be 'awarded' the Brits.

This one is more important to keep secret. I'll send my picks to Kloreep (the first respondant in this thread) before asking for anyone else's. Please make up your lists, but don't PM them until I've sent mine (sometime tonight...).

Just to make sure we're clear on the issue, I'll start the game on a randomly generated, unmodded Pangea as discussed earlier. Everyone has until the end of their first turn (4000BC) to call for a restart, except for anyone with an agricultural Civ. Once you call for a restart, you must play what you get from then on.

This is the set up I was suggesting before I tried to do the Y wrapping mod. If this was not understood and affects anyone's choices, speak up before sending me your final picks.

Oh, and please post your likely availability times so's we can make a turn sequence...

Last edited by Rommel2D on 09-08-2004 at 07:25

	09-08-2004 07:01									#66
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What happens with conflicting #1s? (Or #2s, etc)

Flip a coin?

Edit: And I have my picks ready now

	09-08-2004 07:20									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep What happens with conflicting #1s? (Or #2s, etc)

Neither conflicting player gets the tribe, but the next one to pick that same tribe does.

quote: The first unique request for a tribe gets it. For example, if two players pick England #1 , and another picks them #2, the player that ranked them second would be 'awarded' the Brits.

Sending my list right now...

	09-08-2004 07:35									#68
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Just noticed I missed Germany in the pool. Added.

List sent to Kloreep. Everyone can send me your picks now, unless you'd like someone else to hold them in eschrow...

BTW, if I'm thinking right, everyone should have 10 tribes to rank for their picks...?

	09-08-2004 08:15									#69
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My list PMed to Rommel.

quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D Neither conflicting player gets the tribe, but the next one to pick that same tribe does.

Heh, that could open up strategies for the lists. I'll keep mine my honest top picks, though.

quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D List sent to Kloreep.

3 times.

You do want the last one sent at 21:32, right?

quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D BTW, if I'm thinking right, everyone should have 10 tribes to rank for their picks...?

Yep. I did, anyway, and I didn't have to worry about Germany, so mine should be the correct number.

	09-08-2004 08:28									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep 3 times. You do want the last one sent at 21:32, right?

The second one was just a note that I messed up the list- there should only be one that says "revised" and has all 10 picks...

	09-08-2004 08:47									#71
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I don't know the contents yet, but yeah, there's only one that says "revised"

	09-08-2004 10:02									#72
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you will get mine tomorrow

too tired tonight u

	09-08-2004 10:07									#73
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 you will get mine tomorrow

Since you posted that at 2 minutes past midnight CDT, does that mean Tuesday?

	09-08-2004 10:09									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D Since you posted that at 2 minutes past midnight CDT, does that mean Tuesday?

Hmm Im too tired to think about it, Ill let you know tomorrow

	09-08-2004 10:43									#75
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One question -- once someone's got their choice, are the rest of their choices thrown out? That would i suppose be very different from if they're still in ...

IE, if Conmcb has Mongols (1) and thus gets mongols because every sane person has them at 9, does his having Dutch (2) affect my ability to get Dutch at 2 if I have it ranked there as well (and nobody else does)?

	09-08-2004 10:51									#76
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Yes, good point. Once your tribe is chosen, the rest of your picks are not to be taken into account. You would get the Netherlands.

(way to hit con with a good suggestion while he's in a very receptive state of mind... :-)

	09-08-2004 11:33									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D (way to hit con with a good suggestion while he's in a very receptive state of mind... :-)

My thoughts exactly ^^

	09-08-2004 18:15									#78
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Ha ha too late, I got a pretty good nights sleep last night

	09-08-2004 18:16									#79
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Ok what are you going to do if everyone puts the Germans first?

And the Mongols second?

Who get priority on the choice?????

	09-08-2004 20:02									#80
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Everyone has ten picks and no two lists will be identical. If three or more players manage to duplicate at every level (a statistical outlier I'd think), conflicts will be randomly resolved starting with the tenth pick and moving up.

Kloreep, snoopy, and I have our picks ready. I was leaving the PMs untouched in my box so anyone could see from their end they were unviewed, but I just found out the PM link from ApolytonPlus takes you directly into the newest message, so yours was opened by mistake snoopy.

	09-08-2004 21:42									#81
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Ok - and here is my list. Ooops. Did I get the instructions wrong?

(PM'ing to Rommel)

And you know - the game might be somewhat anticlimactic after a start such as this.

	09-08-2004 22:02									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Beta And you know - the game might be somewhat anticlimactic after a start such as this.

If nothing else it will be a nice break, this has been WAAAAAY to much work

	09-08-2004 23:11									#83
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PM sent

Im still AGAINST an unmodded map.

Im just duely noting this here and now

	09-08-2004 23:46									#84
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I'm shattered just reading the threads

	10-08-2004 03:00									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Mickeyj I'm shattered just reading the threads

No doubt. But I am really curious as to how the civ assignment is going to work out.

	10-08-2004 03:25									#86
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I like the lab puppy best so far.

I got a lab at home.

The CIV choices dont matter anymore.

It now is the process improvement we have to go thru to make it better for next time

	10-08-2004 06:18									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Mickeyj I'm shattered just reading the threads

So, do you have your picks in?

* Kloreep is quite ready to start

	10-08-2004 06:32									#88
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 I like the lab puppy best so far. I got a lab at home. The CIV choices dont matter anymore. It now is the process improvement we have to go thru to make it better for next time

Thanks con - he is pretty cute, ain't he. August is dog month.

So - what would you change in the process? Actually - once I figured out what was going on, I'm fairly intrigued. Then again - when I end up with the Russians I will be right there beside you pushing for process improvement.

	10-08-2004 10:19									#89
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I now have tribe picks from everyone except Mickeyj.

Once I have his picks, I will generate one game for each possible distribution of tribes according to the various ranking configurations. We will then play out the first 20 turns of these 10^5 games and proceed to vote for each of them with wieghted preferences. The top 10 games will be played until 2000 BC, at which point Sid Meier will be called upon to pick his favorite among the lot. The final save will then be bronzed and sent to the Smithsonian Institute to be admired by generations to come...

Mj, we're waitin' on U!!!

	10-08-2004 10:22									#90
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rofl @ rommel. That's just scarily funny. ^^