31-07-2004 07:47									#1
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I'm looking to go way whacky with a PBEM here. 5-6 players, Everyone picks 5 tribes to add to the pool of available tribes. Everyone then ranks all tribes in the pool not nominated by themselves in order of preference. First unique request for each tribe gets that tribe, last choice ties are randomly distributed among tied players.

Basically, you'd be trying to nominate the worst tribes to give your opponents, then pick the best one from what everyone else has elected to the pool.

In the game, no private communication allowed at any time. Once all players have met, game discussion is open in the thread, but that is the only communication allowed.

Standard Pangea, 80% water. Iron Civer exploit/etiquette code, except where special communication rules apply. Everything else TBD.

Any body else for a mid-summer[winter] mad adventure?

Important: don't post any Civ choices before everyone else is ready to go

The game is now full with:
Kloreep
Mickeyj
Beta
and a bunch of guys with nonsense numbers at the end of their names

Settings:
Standard Pagea, 80% water (to give seafarers some 'real estate')
Restless barbarians
C/T/A: normal/temperate/4bill
Default rules, except no culturally linked starts
Monarch level

Selection Pool:
Aztecs
Arabs
Byzantines
Dutch
English
Germany
Hittites
India
Iroquois
Koreans
Mongols
Portugal
Russia
Spain
Zulu


Rank all the Tribes in the pool, not including any of your own nominations, from one on up, starting with the most preferred.

The first unique request for a tribe gets it. For example, if two players pick England #1 , and another picks them #2, the player that ranked them second would be 'awarded' the Brits.

This one is more important to keep secret. I'll send my picks to Kloreep (the first respondant in this thread) before asking for anyone else's. Please make up your lists, but don't PM them until I've sent mine (sometime tonight...).

I'll start the game on a randomly generated, unmodded Pangea as discussed elsewhere. Everyone has until the end of their first turn (4000BC) to call for a restart, except for anyone with an agricultural Civ. Once you call for a restart, you must play what you get from then on.

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	31-07-2004 09:32									#2
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The selection process makes my head spin. I think I understand it. Can you pick some of the same civs as someone else?

Having all communication be public sounds like a very interesting idea.

	31-07-2004 09:51									#3
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Yeah, this would all be 'secret balloting'. Everyone should have a list made up before anyone posts theirs. If everyone nominates many of the same tribes, there might only be 6 or 7 in the pool.

Ever since the Balderdash game crashed to a halt, this forum has been that much dimmer. I'm hoping this can ressurrect that spirit... (although there is no requirement to post BS)

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	31-07-2004 19:14									#4
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Rommel this sounds good i'll be up for it.

What sort of turn rate are you after - Ironciver type turn-rate?

	01-08-2004 00:42									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D Yeah, this would all be 'secret balloting'. Everyone should have a list made up before anyone posts theirs. If everyone nominates many of the same tribes, there might only be 6 or 7 in the pool.

But since you aren't going to get the civs you pick, I imagine there will be duplicates despite this.

	01-08-2004 04:46									#6
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The tribes you nominate for the pool should be the ones you consider the worst ones, since these are what your opponents will have to chose from. I'm anticipating that there will be many duplicates. 5 players would make 25 nominations, but I'm guessing there will be only around 10 distinct ones that will make up the pool.

If there are less than 9 distinct ones, that could cause a problem since you can't vote for the 5 you nominate. We could make the selection rules more complex to anticipate problems like this, but I think chances are good that it won't come up.

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	01-08-2004 04:51									#7
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Welcome Mickey- I'd like to see a 24 hour turn limit, but it depends on who all is interested...

	04-08-2004 22:35									#8
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Bump

	05-08-2004 02:52									#9
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Hmm, I thought a gimmick like this would draw in at least a few more comments. I wonder, is my description not clear enough, or does it sound unworkable...?

(Unless it's just the dog days of summer...)

	05-08-2004 04:10									#10
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Woof woof woof. Betahound is in.

Ooooh. That brings back memories.

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	05-08-2004 04:16									#11
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Man - that is one good looking dog. Maybe I should switch back for August.

btw Rommel - the original Misfits game was based on a similar theme. There were six players - and you picked the civ for the next player. The last player picked for the first. It was back in the ptw days - and we got Korea, Russia, India, Mongols, England, and Spain. Will be interesting to see what comes up here.

	05-08-2004 04:17									#12
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And save a spot for conmcb. I"m sure he would want in. Besides - he is lazy and he sucks.

	05-08-2004 04:20									#13
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OK OK, Im in.

When do we pick the CIV's???????

	05-08-2004 07:11									#14
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Guess we need one more. How about ric or lmtoops or snoopy? They are pretty regular players.

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I have pm'd or e-mailed all 3. I'm sure we will have a game.

And I know we are not suppose to post our civ choices yet - but I just can't wait. I choose - Luxembourg. (that skiing and banking trait combo is a real killer.)

	05-08-2004 07:28									#16
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What about Wittlich?

GodKing has been looking for PBEM's and his busy time of year is almost over, just some ideas.

	05-08-2004 07:40									#17
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Ok, i'll play. Most of my games are stalled or slowed quite a bit anyways ...

	05-08-2004 07:43									#18
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(And I subscribed to this thread this time so i won't miss anything ^^)

Who's collecting the secret ballots?

	05-08-2004 08:03									#19
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I guess Rommel will. Which would mean he needs to pick his first before we start sending them in.

	05-08-2004 22:03									#20
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Can we rely on the honor system here? Just write down your choices and then post here that you have your list ready. After everone is set, we can post our lists here (provided noone accuses con of lacking honor... )

	05-08-2004 22:15									#21
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I'd suggest agreeing on settings first since that will affect tribe choices. I said standard pangea map w/80% water above. Any suggestions for the rest?

Would everyone be Ok with a 24hr turn clock? If a player does not play within 24 hours and hasn't played or warned the rest of an absence, I'll use the admin password, cover the screen with a paper, skip their turn, and send it on. They have been using this method in the ASNG. If we can find a ref to do this, even better. Yeas? Nays?

	05-08-2004 23:24									#22
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I'd suggest Regent difficulty, Temperate/Normal, and either Restless or Raging barbs.

For age, I'd prefer not to do 3 billion. 4 or 5 is good.

	05-08-2004 23:40									#23
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Regent is fine with me as well as the other settings Rommel and Klo have proposed.

Why are you tagging me with the honor thing?

You are talking to the guy who busted FOUR cheaters in CIV II PBEM's.

	06-08-2004 05:22									#24
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I'm not sure i'm comfortable with such a strict 24 hour policy, rommel. I nearly always play my turn very regularly -- usually 2 times per day i check and play, at a mininum -- but every so often work goes really late or whatever and I won't have a chance to play for a day. I'm sure others have the same occasional issue.

Can't we just rely on people to play their turns regularly, and if there is a *regular* lagger, and/or a long unannounced delay, deal with it at that point? Perhaps agree that we'll play within 24 hours and if we regularly violate this we'll be asked to find a replacement? I think it's a big difference between an occasional violation and a regular violator.

	06-08-2004 05:47									#25
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I see I forgot to comment on the 24 hour rule.

I agree with snoopy. We should all be allowed the occassional lapse in play time due to RL. I think we should see how an honorary pledge to play in 24 hours whenever possible goes. If someone steps over that line a lot, we can think about imposing a skip on them then.

Edit: BTW, I have my 5 nominations ready now, assuming map conditions are going to be the above.

	06-08-2004 05:54									#26
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I'll say i have my 5 choices ready or will in the next 5 minutes. Rommel, I'm going to send you a PM with my 5 choices, because otherwise i'm going to forget. Just don't open it until you've made yours. It'll be clearly labelled. ^^

	06-08-2004 09:00									#27
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 Why are you tagging me with the honor thing?

I didn't tag you with anything. Based on what I've read around here, I was just guessing that Beta wouldn't pass up an opportunity to put you down...

	06-08-2004 09:07									#28
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So, out of curiousity ... of those of us who already picked out our top (bottom) 5 ... who's already figured out what civ(s) will pretty much make up their (likely) list of chosen civ(s) to play (ie your guesses for what the rest of us will pick) ^^

	06-08-2004 09:59									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D I didn't tag you with anything. Based on what I've read around here, I was just guessing that Beta wouldn't pass up an opportunity to put you down...

Good point

I have not picked my CIV's yet. When do we have to do that by??????

	06-08-2004 10:10									#30
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by now, you silly fool! (Oops, sorry, was just reading the Balderdash turn thread... =p)

Seriously ... pick them now and then state when you have and then we can all post them ... ^^