02-09-2004 23:29									#151
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york You could have said that on Tuesday! Any handy hints as to where I can get my hands on a magic longsword at this level of the game would be much appreciated.

spoiler(highlight to read): --If you have Weapon Focus (Something), there's a Something +1 in one of the crates in the Lair of the Intellect Devourer back in the prison. (You're a fighter, apparently, so no reason to NOT have picked Weapon Focus for some weapon.) --One of the merchants at the Docks sells some +1 weapons. Have about 2000 gold ready.

quote: Is there any point to lugging one of those fire beetles' bodies around everywhere? Are they good for anything?

spoiler(highlight to read): You can use them to access the Magic Shop in Chapter 2. Other than that, none that I'm aware of.

	02-09-2004 23:36									#152
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The bellies can be used to create powers on items IIRC. You find some tomes later with details. Carry one maybe.

	03-09-2004 14:11									#153
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I've sold one of them to Aribeth. Can I buy it back from her later, or should I go and get another one and keep it in my bag of holding?

I finished the Beggar's Nest last night, apart from the other vault in the graveyard. It has a chest outside with a note saying somthing like "Wall at arm's length", but I'm afraid I couldn't solve the riddle and work out how to get in. INT 8, you understand.

Any help much appreciated. I got a longsword +1 from Gulnan's room, and some nice armour from the mummy's tomb.

	03-09-2004 17:10									#154
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You can buy it back from Aribeth within chapter 1. What happens later is classified.

As for the riddle a guy near the start location gave you a quest to find some artifacts, (you probably have the easy ones which he directed you to) which you need to open doors to get more.

The arms length one is the ceremonial shield IIRC.

	03-09-2004 17:16									#155
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Btw I played a bit more Folderol last night. I started a sorceror on Neversummer 3.5 too, though I got annoyed at dying to almost the first monsters in the game.

I did the Noobe gardens, and am just about to help the druids out.

	07-09-2004 17:45									#156
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Jamski was quite impressed with the Dry Wind Scimitar I had made by the bloke in the City Core - and he's right, I should be using it all the time. It's only from the +1 scimitar I took from Gulnan though, so if I was to turn up in the armourer's with a +2 scimitar and some adamantine would I:
(a) Get exactly the same sword again,
(b) Get a +2 Dry Wind Scimitar, or
(c) Be told to bugger off because he can only make one in each game?



Things are really quiet at 'poly's nether regions today, and so I took the opportunity to go to the Bioware site and have a look at the Dragonlance world under construction. Bloody hell - it looks, and sounds, wonderful. The idea is phenomenal, and the alterations they are having to make to the code are pretty major, so it sounds like a massive project. They said that it would be a bigger download than HotU!!!

(I'd like to make it clear that I have no idea how long it would take to download HotU, and have no interest in doing so. )

	07-09-2004 17:48									#157
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york Jamski was quite impressed with the Dry Wind Scimitar I had made by the bloke in the City Core - and he's right, I should be using it all the time. It's only from the +1 scimitar I took from Gulnan though, so if I was to turn up in the armourer's with a +2 scimitar and some adamantine would I: (a) Get exactly the same sword again, (b) Get a +2 Dry Wind Scimitar, or (c) Be told to bugger off because he can only make one in each game?

spoiler(highlight to read): If you did that, you'd get the same +1 Dry Wind Scimitar. The recipe doesn't specify a specific enhancement, just that the weapon has to be magic. Wait until Chapter 3, when you can upgrade it to a +3 weapon with that adamantine.

Besides, you're probably not of a high enough level to be getting +2 weapons as drops, AFAIK.

	07-09-2004 17:54									#158
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I was only interested in seeing whether or not I could have some more magic items built (I've got a phial of fairy dust, for example) and then selling them on at a profit.

Because that's how to best roleplay a paladin!

	07-09-2004 22:49									#159
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My NWN experience has taken a turn for the worst.

At the weekend Jam created some kukris for my kukri master, because the designers seemed to have forgotten them. However I lost both last night (and my +1 strength helmet) in one fight to some lameass rust monster that destroys your equipment.

Is some DM screwing with me, since that seems a little harsh for one fight?

To add insult to injury there was a boulder blocking the doorway out which respawned, and with my backup weapon I can't do enough damage to get out, so I am trapped unless I deliberately die and respawn.

	07-09-2004 23:05									#160
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Heh. Iskander ran across those once-- and promptly lost his +2 greatsword and armor.

	07-09-2004 23:09									#161
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Iskander probably said the same few phrases I did. I don't roleplay much, but I did manage a good stab at roleplaying someone very very pissed off indeed to lose their hard earned stuff.

	07-09-2004 23:10									#162
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Btw all........please post here if you are interested in joining up on Folderol or Neversummer3.5 sometime on GMT evenings, or maybe weekends.

	08-09-2004 01:12									#163
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I'm interested, oh GOD I'm interested

Could be less than a month to wait now as well!

COULD be.....

-Jam

	08-09-2004 03:58									#164
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Depends. I may already be asleep by the time GMT evening rolls around here. But yes, I might be interested.

	08-09-2004 05:38									#165
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I haven't been on NWN at all in the past week (too freakin' busy), but I may be able to do this in the future. If you guys set a time, at least let me know about it and I'll see if I can be there or not.

	08-09-2004 08:53									#166
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I maybe able to.

	08-09-2004 13:48									#167
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Sorry to hear that your kukris met a sticky end Spike. Especially after all the good work Jam did.
It does sound as though there is a DM with a pretty mean sense of humour out there. Can you not post on the (little-used) Folderol forums about this problem, especially seeing as others seem to have had the same trouble, and perhaps one of the kindly DMs can set up a chest with a weapon in strong enough to get you out of the cave once your ordinary weapons have been eaten by the rust monster?

	08-09-2004 17:02									#168
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Things took a turn for the better last night. Someone portalled to me and we went hunting. After killing some stuff and levelling to 9 I went back to the druids and replaced everything. I would have had to anyway (except the kukris, which will mean I'll now have to go back to the monastery and buy some of the others Jam created) so the stuff I lost (2 kukris, armour, a ring, a helmet and a longsword ) was no big deal.

For reference you have to strip naked and punch the blighters to death!

Btw I'll be on at 8 GMT tonight if anyone is interested. Send tell to Nord Spikian.

	09-09-2004 01:07									#169
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Spike, go and kill some Halfling on the second floor of CREEP HQ, found in Gnoma. You'll be happy about that, trust me

-Jam

	09-09-2004 02:42									#170
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Didn't see this until now..........if I get time to go that far (am ant killing ) I will. I did manage to scrounge 2 kukris from nice people ( ) but I need a better one.

	09-09-2004 04:39									#171
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Btw all........please post here if you are interested in joining up on Folderol or Neversummer3.5 sometime on GMT evenings, or maybe weekends.

I would if I could ever connect. it always seems down for me.

	09-09-2004 07:23									#172
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Spike, go and kill some Halfling on the second floor of CREEP HQ, found in Gnoma. You'll be happy about that, trust me -Jam

Speaking of which, I met G. Gordon Liddy in RL on Monday. He was serving beer at a local community festival thingamajig near Mount Vernon in Virginia. He's not that bad of a guy.

	09-09-2004 07:37									#173
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Didn't see this until now..........if I get time to go that far (am ant killing ) I will. I did manage to scrounge 2 kukris from nice people ( ) but I need a better one.

I made my own version of the Kukri Master.
...and he is quite the bada$$ if I do say so myself

Rogue/fighter/weapon master 13/14/13

His Kukris are upgrades of "Hatred" and "Strife" taken from the shadow master in HOTU. They are both +10 and Keen, both give true seeing, 20 spell resistance, haste, and +2 regeneration.
"Hatred" gives an extra 2D6 Fire Damage +Poison(-2 strength) upon hitting, and "Strife" does an extra 2DG acid damage and 50% chance of "doom" upon hitting.
They make quite the nice pair.

His name's Arnold Horschack, and he's quite Evil

	09-09-2004 07:47									#174
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	09-09-2004 08:55									#175
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Very nice.

One question: why so many fighter and WM levels? If you wanted to, you could just make it a Rogue 27/Fighter 6/WM 7. That would get you Ki Critical and Increased Multiplier (the two big WM feats), plus Epic Weapon Specialization. You'd also have a sneak attack of at least +14d6 (more with Improved Sneak), compared to +7d6 with your build. Trying to imagine how this build would be made...

Rogue 1, Dodge, Expertise
Fighter 1
Fighter 2, Mobility, Focus (kukri)
Fighter 3
Fighter 4, Spring Attack
Fighter 5, Weapon Specialization
Rogue 2
Rogue 3
Rogue 4, WW Attack
WM 1
WM 2
WM 3, Power Attack
WM 4
WM 5
WM 6, Cleave
WM 7
Rogue 5
Rogue 6, Improved Crit
Rogue 7
Rogue 8
Fighter 6, Epic Focus, Epic Spec (Kukri)
Rogue from there on out.

At level 20, this Kukri Monster variant would have a BAB of 12+6=18 (giving you the four attacks/round with your main weapon).

Problem with this build is that you don't get the two-weapon feats until much later. I suppose we could alleviate this by taking more fighter levels at the expense of rogue levels...

Also, can someone verify for me if prestige classes are considered when figuring the XP penalty for multiclassing? (IIRC, they shouldn't in 3.5e...)

	09-09-2004 19:00									#176
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quote: Originally posted by Vlad Antlerkov Very nice. One question: why so many fighter and WM levels? If you wanted to, you could just make it a Rogue 27/Fighter 6/WM 7.

Good Points. ...to be honest, I was actually thinking that I had to many Rogue Levels. Mainly because in solo play, he hasn't been able to use his sneak attack as much as I would have liked. In hindsight I wonder how a level 10 Rogue, 10 WM, and 20 fighter would have turned out.

I'm not complaining though "Arnold" is quite the fun character to play. A liitle later, maybe I'll introduce you to some of the other builds that I've given a go

	09-09-2004 21:04									#177
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I think in that case, you should find some scrolls of Improved Invisibility and put them on the quickbar. Unless you've been neglecting Use Magic Device, you should be able to use them... (of course, there's always the possibility of arcane spell failure due to your armor. Blah. Just go with potions of inviso instead.)

Actually, does sneak attack work with Whirlwind Attack? Because if it does...

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quote: Actually, does sneak attack work with Whirlwind Attack? Because if it does...

Yeppo

quote: Also, can someone verify for me if prestige classes are considered when figuring the XP penalty for multiclassing? (IIRC, they shouldn't in 3.5e...)

Nope

quote: One question: why so many fighter and WM levels?

Hit Points and BaB, I guess. Its surprising how big an effect +1 BaB is when you have four (or five with Haste) attacks/round.

-Jam

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OK then. However, if I'm not mistaken, the BAB progression for everyone once they hit level 21 is +1 per 2 levels... so the extra fighter/WM levels would only really affect the BAB as long as they were all taken before level 20 (except the one needed to get Epic Spec). Granted, that conviently ignores Superior Weapon Focus.

So I'll revise that to Rogue 15/Fighter 12/WM 13. If its first 20 levels go Rogue 1/Fighter 11/WM 8, then it'd have a BAB of +19, +2 from Focus and Superior Focus. At 40 levels, its BAB would be +29, +3 from Focus and Epic Focus, +3 from Superior Focus, plus strength and enchantment bonuses.

...and with Haste and all the dual-wield feats, this beast would have SEVEN attacks per round. (Or is it capped at six in NWN? I know that in stock 3rd edition, there's no cap, plus there are extra dual-wield feats, such that one could get up to 8 attacks before Haste... )

	10-09-2004 00:11									#180
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Vlad, I think I might have to give that last one a shot, Looks good

BTW, after playing around a bit, I've realized that sneak attack really isn't necessary for good ol' "Arnold". He gets so many criticals that it doesn't really matter. I took him up against a Lvl 40 cleric, and in the 4 swings of the Kukri that it took to kill this guy, he hit for 100, 99, 96, oh and one for a measly 32

Needless to say it was a very quick battle

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