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Theseus is offline Theseus

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AU 601: Theseus' Greek DAR 2 Put an end to popups!

I discovered the northern island in the inland sea.

I am keeping the war going against Carthage, at the following costs:

Germanic Tribe: 11 gpt
Egypt: 7 gpt
Persia: 7 gpt

Haven't gotten the Celts into yet, as they want 14 gpt.

Desperate to get a branch tech lead; I am assuming that Nathan is all but giving away tech to the AI civs to my detriment.

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Added Celts, 9 gpt, to the alliance against Carthage... every civ is at war, except Rome. That, and an increase in power, has me worried: Will I be facing a Nathan-special juggernaut SoD soon? We shall see. Given the shaking up I've given to our world, though, I think he must maintain his own defense first.

I am working on developing a second iron. I am considering trading it to ( :GASP: ) the Persians!

One turn away from taking the second Bab city, I think, and then we shall see what we can negotiate for in peace.

I have completed four uni's in my best core cities... hopefully that will help in catching up in tech. I tried buying Feudalism from the various civs, with the thought that gpt deals could be useful in other dimensions... waaaay too expensive though. I need a tech lead!!

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MGL from the Bab War!! It'll slow down my capture of that NE Bab city, but I withdraw all troops except the Sword* (who tragically dies defending the retreat) in order to bring the Leader back for the HE. I choose that rather than an Army, as the world has passed by Feud, and I'd rather upgrade my Swords than put them into an Army. Heck, if anything, I might pull another MGL outta the hat with my remaining elite Swords... Babs have no iron, so I am facing LBs and ACs.

* Theseus LUSTS for a 2xMedInf+Hoplite Army at each of the NE and SE borders.

[Edit: What the heck am I talking about? In my excitement... So, yeah, the MGL is made into an Army. Not sure what to fill it with yet.]

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Legions are just waaaay high on the STCOMM.

NATHAN'S Legions, no less.

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Interesting happenings in Nathan's Neighborhood...

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In 640 AD, I capture Nippur, the NE Bab town, and negotiate peace, Printing Press, and an MA against Carthage for 6gpt.

Everyone except Rome is aligned against Hannibal. MWAHAHAHA!!!

(We'll see how this grand strategy works... )

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The good... and the bad.

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(I don't even have Feudalsim yet fer chrissakes!! )

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Friggin' Nathan has been handing out tech like candy to the AI civs. In 680AD, I researched Econ, only to find that everyone suddenly has it. :grr:

The good news is, Rome decided to get into the action against Carthage (that's everybody), and thus did not trade them Econ. Breaking all of my MAs, I was able to negotiate peace and trade Econ and ultimately 108 gpt for Feudalism, Astronomy, Invention, and Gunpowder. Carthage only has two cities left, so I am obviously hoping they get taken out SOONEST. They just started building Bach's... that should get'em killed. Everybody else is furious with me, of course.

I task one Scientist in Athens, and start Chemistry at a 50 turn pace... I need all my cash for upgrades.

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Captured Nippur, T? I didn't think that was allowed, but can understand... old habits and stuff.

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Nathan and I are playing with variant rules:

* We are allowed to capture two cities from each AI civ induced into an MA by the human opponent, each time (hasn't happened yet).

* We are allowed to capture two cities, total throughout the game, from each AI civ that declares war on us (so, I'm permitted to keep the two Bab cities I've captured, whereas Rome may not keep any Carthaginian captured cities as Rome made the declaration).

* We are allowed to keep cities 'captured' via CF (Nathan has one city this way).

* Raze & rebuild is effectively the same as capturing.

[Edit: One more thing, we are obligated to inform each other of all events relating to the above.]

It makes for some interesting strategic decisions. For instance, we have yet to declare war on each other and enlist AI civs via MAs, so that opportunities for expansion via city capture have not been presented.

However, I have just realized that it is now an opportune time for me to start such activity, given that Carthage is down to two cities anyway, and I'm dying to see them eradicated due to the gpt I owe for another 18 turns. [Edit: It strikes me as funny that Carthage itself has the Knights Templar, but that Nathan will surely beeline for Steam Power now that he is in the Industrial Era... nyaah nyaah, useless GW!]

The only problem is that each of Persia and the Germanic Tribes have captured cities contiguous to Rome... hmmm. On the other hand, Rome capturing those cities, which are not strategic to either AI civ, will piss them off, and hopefully make them more likely to do damage to Rome directly.

And I know that they have some serious troops in the area.

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Nathan, btw, seems to be doing something smart which I will be copying. When at war with a neighboring civ, he is being very aggressive about planting tightly spaced (2-tile?) forward cities in their territory to capture resources. I will be doing this to capture a NE ivory just inside Bab territory in the next few turns.

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I should have known you two would have allowed for some mode of conquering. I've got to say, though, if I were weighing SP against a couple of crusaders, I'm not sure I wouldn't beeline for it, too.

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I took a tight look at the wording of our rules, and unfortunately, I think that my joining Carthage in an already extant war against Rome would NOT qualify as an opportunity for Rome to legally capture Carthaginian cities.

D*mn.

And Persia just went to peace with Carthage. Double d*mn.

Hopefully the Germanic Tribes will take them out.

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Oh, that fine print, gosh guys, next time just 'do it' as a free for all!!

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When dealing with Nathan, the fine print counts. Which is fine with me... it is part of what makes him a formidable opponent.

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Is Nathan an attorney?

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That's bad, gooood luck!!!

I am learning much from 'watching' this game, what would mine (mod) play under similiar terms.

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Oh dear, T. You still lack feudalism and Nathan has hit the industrial age.

You know what happens when you leave Nathan alone to build up for 2 eras.

-Arrian

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I caught up a good bit, and have only 3 techs to go before the industrial era. But still, I figure he'll RR like crazy, and then come after me with Cavs. Not sure how to defend...

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'not sure how to defend', you better 'upgrade' on that 'field marshall'.

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You expect a Cavalry horde, which in AU terms means a horde of 5.3.3 units, correct?

You have a ton of hoplites already, and I think I remember you saying you have a hoplite army, right?

You need bombard units and counterattackers. I hope your road network is solid.

-Arrian

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Does barricade building still come with Construction in the AU Mod?

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I was really busy yesterday, and will be again today; no time to play. I am coming up with something though...

Keep chiming in with ideas / comments, etc.

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Anticipate the obvious 'targets' as cities on the way to your 'capitol'. Place forts at least on all hills/mountain, rivers enroute. Road link from behind and back. Place 'two hops' each with any siege units as stacks that can be brought to bear via road links.

That's a general plan, in particular you need to create at least one killing trap. This being a city on a hill on the route mentioned above if available. Here stack 10 hops with a stack of arty's of whatever kind is available. Use faster moving units to hit and run 'to there' and draw his main army down upon this city. Maybe lucky and his 'emotions' will get the better of him and he'll waste the bulk of his forces on this target. If shy about the bait or once burned thereby, use this city a raider's camp until he has to hit it.

This could be done likewise from a well-placed barricade.

Oh, and I hope you have a new 'Field Marshall' now!

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I haven't seen an up to date picture, but if possible I'd try to set up a killing zone using barricades to a) funnel the cavs to where you want them and/or b) stop them cold. Staffing some with LB/bomb/hops could easily prove to be worthwhile, as long as it isn't anyplace easily bypassable.

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I haven't seen an up to date picture, but if possible I'd try to set up a killing zone using barricades to a) funnel the cavs to where you want them and/or b) stop them cold. Staffing some with LB/bomb/hops could easily prove to be worthwhile, as long as it isn't anyplace easily bypassable.


Setting up a full barricade system will take up far too many worker turns, although a few well placed among the mountain chain to the NW might prove beneficial.

OTOH, The best defense is to set up a hoplite wall backed with defensive bombard units on the most formidable terrain and build a few barricades to restrict access to your flatter terrain. Still, I'm skeptical of using barricades at this point unless Theseus has a lot of Hoplites and workers.

Typically I use barricade systems when I am heavily outnumbered, and reinforcement is difficult. Setting up a barricade system in the core is probably counterproductive. IMO, a better use of resources would be to build bombardment and horse units for counterattacks

It will be interesting to see which approach Theseus chooses.

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MP question: If I declare war on Rome, can Nathan in ANY WAY see my tech status?

 
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