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Numbers represent year of acquiring the tech.
() - the technology must have been acquired in or before that year but the exact time is not known
** - the technology is currently researched and number represent expected year

G - Gaians
H - Hive
U - University
A - Angels
M - Morganities
S - Spartans
P - Peacekeepers

r - Researched
u - Unity pod
c - Conquered base
x - Exchange for another technology
e - Exchange for energy
p - Exchange for non-technology and non-energy profits
g - Gift
t - Probe team action
b - Bullying

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Technology G H U A M S P Known 16 23 1 22 26 22 26 Estimated ? - ? * - ? - Technology G H U A M S P Doctrine Mobility E1 142 x (159) - 148 x (148) 101 (161) Centauri Ecology E1 101 117 Ab - 114 r (114) (114) (161) Progenitor Psych E1 - (159) - 138 r 145 148 (161) Biogenetics D1 137 r (159) - 138 x (138) 146 x 101 Information Networks D1 107 (128) 101 101 105 119 (161) Industrial Base B1 124 (117) - 106 r 101 141 (161) Social Psych B1 147 r (159) - 153 x (153) (146) (161) Applied Physics C1 144 t (159) - 141 u 150 (142) (161) Doctrine Flexibility E2 150 x (122) - 149 x (149) (146) (161) Ethical Calculus E2 155 x (159) - 153 x (153) (147) (161) Polymorphic Software D2 - (159) - - (162) - (161) Planetary Networks D2 116 117 Ab - 101 119 126 (161) Sec. of the Human Brain D2 - 162 - - (162) - (161) Industrial Economics B2 131 (128) - 122 r (127) (146) (161) Nonlinear Mathematics C2 - (147) - - (162) - (161) High Energy Chemistry C2 162 x 161 - 161 x (161) (161) (161) Doctrine Loyality C2 (145) 101 - 148 x 157 148 x (161) Field Modulation C2 - 161 - 163 s 163 (163) 162 Intelectual Integrity E3 - - - *164* - *1xx* - Centauri Empathy E3 - - - - - - - Adv. Subatomic Theory D3 - - - - - - - Optical Computers D3 - (159) - 154 x 161 x (154) (161) Industrial Automation B3 138 x (159) - 130 r (127) 141 (161) Gene Splicing B3 (147) (159) - 147 x (146) (147) (161) Adaptive Economics B3 - - - 151 r (151) 154 x (161) Adaptive Doctrine C3 - - - - - - - Doctrine Initiative E4 - - - - - (151) - Synthetic Fossil Fuels E4 - 162 - - 162 r - (161) Ecological Engineering E4 160 r - - 160 xG (162) (154) (161) Silksteel Alloys B4 - - - - - - - Cyberethics B4 - - - - - - - Planetary Economics B4 - - - - - - - Superconductor C4 - (159) - 163 s (162) (163) (161) Adv. Military Algorith. C4 - - - - - - - Neural Grafting C4 - - - - *181* - - Bioadaptive Resonance C4 - - - - - - - Doctrine Air Power E5 - *168* - - - - *170* Centauri Meditation E5 - - - - - - - Applied Relativity D5 - - - - - - - Pre-Sentient Algorithms D5 - - - - - - - Bio-Engineering B5 - - - - - - - Environmental Economics B5 - - - 161 g (161) (161) (161) Superstring Theory C5 - - - - - - - Fusion Power D6 - - - - - - - Orbital Spaceflight D6 - - - - - - - Monopole Magnets B6 - - - - - - - Photon/Wave Mechanics C6 - - - - - - - Mind/Machine Interface C6 - - - - - - - Retroviral Engineering C6 - - - - - - - Centauri Genetics E7 - - - - - - - Probability Mechanics B7 - - - - - - - Biomachinery B7 - - - - - - - Adv. Ecological Eng. B7 - - - - - - - Unified Field Theory C7 - - - - - - - Organic Superlubricant C7 - - - - - - - Nanometallurgy E8 - - - - - - - Centauri Psi E8 - - - - - - - Homo Superior E8 - - - - - - - Advanced Spaceflight D8 - - - - - - - Nanominiaturization B8 - - - - - - - N-space Compression C8 - - - - - - - The Will to Power E9 - - - - - - - Industrial Nanorobotics B9 - - - - - - - Matter Compression C9 - - - - - - - Sentient Resonance C9 - - - - - - - Frictionless Surfaces D10 - - - - - - - Digital Sentience D10 - - - - - - - Secrets of Creation D10 - - - - - - - Super Tensile Solids B10 - - - - - - - Sentient Econometrics E11 - - - - - - - Quantum Power D11 - - - - - - - Self-Aware Machines D11 - - - - - - - Eudaimonia E12 - - - - - - - Singularity Mechanics D12 - - - - - - - Secrets of A. Centauri D12 - - - - - - - Quantum Machinery B12 - - - - - - - Matter Editation B12 - - - - - - - Graviton Theory E13 - - - - - - - Secrets of Manifolds D13 - - - - - - - Matter Transmission B13 - - - - - - - Applied Gravitonics E14 - - - - - - - Temporal Mechanics B14 - - - - - - - Threshold of Transc. E15 - - - - - - - Controlled Singularity C15 - - - - - - - String Resonance C16 - - - - - - - Transcendent Thought D16 - - - - - - -

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Edited in the expected year on which we have IndAuto.

Nice table, Mart.
Will be helpfull once Infiltration is achieved...

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I wish something like this table or simillar was implemented in smax. the ones presently are not easy to use when you wish to have quick overview. maybe smac2?

New legend in the beginning of the first post in this thread. I thought that *xxx* will be better distinguished from other entries.

The intelligence here can be gathered in various ways. It is infiltration as the best one, but we can also get info on what technologies are in possesion of other factions in these ways:

- start of a secret project. as soon as something appears on F5 screen, we know they've got it.

- refusal of tech trade with given explanation that some secret project might fall into our hands. the faction may not have started building that secret project yet, but if the faction refuses - they have it (AI ones)

- often techs are directly named during chat with AI

anything else?

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Remember that by looking in the commlink section, you can view if other factions have the techs that you have (by whether or not it would allow you to offer them).

This was used a lot in the last DG.

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Yah, but with that info you still don't know what techs they have that you don't... For that contact with the AI could be beneficial.

Btw, Mart, we know for sure that the Hive has 2 more techs. Which ones were it again he bribed from us?

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Yeah B**t**d. Now I am not even sure I had that crazy xenorum conversation with Yang after all where he offered Doc: Flex.

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I know one of them was Cnt. Eco.

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I checked the old thread. So it seems hive got Pla Networks and Cent Eco in 117. New legend - what do you think about it?

117 Ab means that the technology was acquired in 2117 from Data Angels by bullying.
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Now that I think of it, we know what were starting techs of other factions? E.g. Hive for sure has Doc Loyality from 2101?

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Yah, Hive has DocLoy from the start, and probably in this game IndBase as well (hence the synthmetal in 2117 which is soon for a game).

Starter techs for the other factions:
- Spartans: DocMob
- Morgans: IndBase
- Gaians: CentEco
- University: InfoNetw + 1 free for choice
- Peacekeepers: Biogen

Probably the Uni and PK's have extra tech to start with as well in this game.

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Are we sure that synth infantry is from Hive designs based on Ind. Base? It might be also gift from Morganities - stolen from Morganities, Godly gift..... (hmm, does it all together have like 1 % chance of occuring?)

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Again, to have a synth out there on that isthmus by 2117 is too soon for having it bribed, gifted or whatever. A Modly gift is possible though, but for that in the editor IndBase should haven been given to the Hive as well. I'm extrapolating here on Busters' intention to let the Hive not be an easy pushover in this ACDG.

Remember that that base grid suddenly popped up ((IIRC), that base didn't exist beforehand, so my guess is that the Synth must have left early on from that site Maki discovered.

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If anyone has any other guesses or conclusions, please post, so the tech info is the most accurate as it can be.

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Well Morgan has Ind Auto. The question is, for me, whether they stole Plan Nets or traded it. Ok maybe neither; will now check if Yang has met Morgan.

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Could Morgan get Ind auto without PlaNetworks? E.g. just by trading Ind.Auto and not having PlaNet?

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Why not check if Morgan has PlaNets and see?

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Why not check if Morgan has PlaNets and see?

How to do it? what kind of gathering of this info is allowed?

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Perhaps Spartans and Morgans have met and are trading?
Spartans' jump in the powergraph indicates IMHO that they're not following an exotic research path. Gaians OTOH...

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Update

Morgans have all the techs we have plus Ind Auto and they have met the Hive.

Spartans have Inf Nets, Cent Ecol and Plan Nets but lack Ind Base and Ind econ. They also have met Yang.

Gaians have Ind Base, Cent Ecol, Info Nets, Plan Nets but lack Ind Econ and thay have not met the Hive.

In the profile menu it is allowed to click ' share trade' with other factions even if you haven't met them but of course you are not allowed to actually do so until we have met in game. However the ' share trade' shows what techs of ours the other faction already has and also shows comm links we have that they don't.

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In this way I can trace a lot of information about when specific techs were discovered. Need some time and I will post years in the table

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Thus everyone follows the good ol' beeline, the Morgans are at least 3 turns ahead...

Mmm, wonder if they're running FM already, but it's also possible they have put their lab output at maximum and be damned with losing their energy stock.

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Spartans suspiciously have other technologies - they might follow their way - weapons.
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yup, Inf Networks is needed for Nonlinear math. We should start to plan some good military. otherwise some day we might see (4)-x-4 foils bombarding our coast teritory and Spartan 4 rovers bullying us for all those economic techs

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A lot of updated information. Also since Yang concluded during last chat that we cannot have anything interesting to him, I think Hive has all technologies we have, thus new years in parentheses - InfNet and IndEconomics for Hive. Do you think that is true?

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The Gaians have IndEcon for sure this turn.

I offered in the diplo screen (don't worry, removed it as well ) and only Hive commlink, IndAuto and Worldmap are still open. No chances noticed with the Spartans/Morgans. Spartans are starting to overtake us as well.

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Table updated.
I wonder if Spartans will strike Hive soon to grab its territory and techs maybe. Are spoils of war on?

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The table is updated

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Guess ProgPsych will be delayed if we put 50% psych allocation...

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Updated again. I put 150 for our Doc:mobility and 1xx for Gaian. We really do not know. And they do not have prog psych yet.
Is it possible to make this table sticky?

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Updated.

sticky?

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Spartans have Applied Physics as well, Mart. We can't offer it to them in the diplo screen.

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Updated as for the MY 2146

- note that Morganities acquired Progenitor Psych in 2145. This ALERT - they maybe want to get PEG
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Is it possible to make it
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Maybe this will help. It is a doc of research paths in SMACX.

 
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