07-08-2004 15:12									#31
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So did he win the final or not?

	07-08-2004 16:51									#32
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The one with almost no health won and the one with no health lost. Hope that helps.

	07-08-2004 17:23									#33
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The fighting part of the video wasn't what amazed me about that video... sure, it was well played and all, but I'm amazed so many people are watching that fight that intense


On the other hand, I'm amazed people watch sport on tv*



* If they really like that sport, then why don't they go outside to play it, instead of complaining about the lack of skills of those playing

	07-08-2004 17:48									#34
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Yeah, what other people like sucks. Everyone should like what I like.

	07-08-2004 18:41									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns The one with almost no health won and the one with no health lost. Hope that helps.

That was the semi Skimsy.

	07-08-2004 18:43									#36
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quote: * If they really like that sport, then why don't they go outside to play it, instead of complaining about the lack of skills of those playing

Most people do go out and play that sport, eventually people get too old/lazy/busy to do it anymore and you cant spend all your free time playing it. And if you are still regularly playing that sport yourself, its fun to watch the professionals do it, "how can i expect a professional to do that move if i couldnt".

	07-08-2004 18:54									#37
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That was a deliberately unhelpful post disguised as a sincere if misguided attempt to answer a similar question to the one actually posed.

	07-08-2004 19:27									#38
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Don't try and deny your skimsying, Skimsy.

	07-08-2004 19:52									#39
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He's Skimky, silly. I'm Skimski, and you are DrSkime. These are minor details perhaps, but very GODAMN IMPORTANT too, in my very humble (and even more CORRECT) opinion.

Hey, anyone going to watch the Shield game tommorrow?

-Jam

	07-08-2004 19:53									#40
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Semi-skimsying, thankyou very much.

Shield game? Unless it involves plate-mail and swords along with the shields, no.
I need to paint my room before the g/f visits tomorrow.

	07-08-2004 20:16									#41
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Are you still painting your room???? Weren't you painting it like 2 months ago when your sister ordered you to it?

	07-08-2004 20:20									#42
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Yeah, that was the walls. I got them finished ages ago (I guess around 2 months ago), but now I have the woodwork to do. It shall be black.

Not much progress has been made as of yet, either.

	07-08-2004 20:32									#43
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A new girlfriend? Let's threadjack and discuss that instead.

	07-08-2004 20:36									#44
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I refuse to continue this threadjack by discussing the cute brunette 21yo that I have met. I certainly won't be mentioning driving from her house at 4:30am to get to work this morning, so you can just forget the whole idea.

	07-08-2004 20:47									#45
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Ok I wont ask any more questions then. Like, for example, I wont ask where you met.

	07-08-2004 20:53									#46
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It is amusing how I was writing a reply to that very question as you were writing it.
A conundrum remains, however, where that reply went to.

So, did the guy who won the fight above win the final?

	07-08-2004 21:18									#47
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike Zero, what you didn't mention is the importance of the jump before the last hit (in my opinion the most impressive part of the whole thing). The jump to parry enabled him to land a jumping hit, which is a great thing to start a combo with, in this case to a super move.

quote: Originally posted by Me The last one he jumped and parried it in midair, but to appreciate that requires you to know what parry baiting is, and that gets a bit complex....

Thought that it wasnt necessary to dive deep into 3S strategy in poly.

quote: So, did the guy who won the fight above win the final?

He (Daigo) beat the guy (Justin) in semi final easily. However he faced his old rival (KO) in the finals and lost. Daigo also lost to KO last year as well, so it seems like the Street FIghter 3 event is pretty much dominated between Daigo and KO.

Well at least Daigo went back to japan with some 2nd place cash prize...

Oh and other first prize money that he earned in other events too.........

	07-08-2004 21:20									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora And if you are still regularly playing that game yourself, its fun to watch the professionals do it, "how can i expect a professional to do that move if i couldnt".

	07-08-2004 21:27									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio The fighting part of the video wasn't what amazed me about that video... sure, it was well played and all, but I'm amazed so many people are watching that fight that intense

fighter community is HUGE but doesnt have that much sunday gamers. Its either you love it or not. And unlike FPS and RTSes, online fighting gaming isnt viable, so if you play it, you're mostly likely from urban/city area that has one of those ghetto arcades in the slums that still attracts ALOT of players.

Amount of prize money given for evo2004 total = 20,000+ .... not bad eh?

quote: * If they really like that sport, then why don't they go outside to play it, instead of complaining about the lack of skills of those playing

Watching sports/games and playing sports are two different things. I enjoy them both.

	07-08-2004 21:32									#50
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Say Zero, would you terribly mind shaving off a few 'eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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	07-08-2004 21:35									#51
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alva:indeed the sig is wearing off its novelty...

i do like how i can spot my posts right way though...

	07-08-2004 21:51									#52
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Why can't you play fighting games online? Surely the lag is as manageable as in FPS games.

	07-08-2004 21:53									#53
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Timing is too key. I think the host would win 4 times out of 5 in an even matchup.

	07-08-2004 22:01									#54
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But how much data can there be to send in a two player fighting game? I can't imagine lag being noticeble to anyone with broadband...

	07-08-2004 22:08									#55
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And if they made fighting games a bit more realistic (a bit slower) it wouldn't hurt that much I guess... by realistic I mean adding stuff like stamina (that's the correct word right?) or something...

	07-08-2004 22:13									#56
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People regularly play online through arcade emulators, with broadband obviously.

quote: Originally posted by Zero Originally posted by Maquiladora And if you are still regularly playing that game yourself, its fun to watch the professionals do it, "how can i expect a professional to do that move if i couldnt".

Clueless.

	07-08-2004 23:15									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio And if they made fighting games a bit more realistic (a bit slower) it wouldn't hurt that much I guess... by realistic I mean adding stuff like stamina (that's the correct word right?) or something...

there are slower paced games. But if its slow its too easy as you have more time to react... and people can already react and counter rediculously at this level already.... thats why more fans are pushing for faster speed to test their reflex and i guess that can alienate people who are just starting... and most fighting games are at realistic speed. quick jabs are quick enough and strong windup punches are slow enough.

quote: But how much data can there be to send in a two player fighting game? I can't imagine lag being noticeble to anyone with broadband...

i dunno how much data it would be, but timing is crucial. To have everything synced perfectly is hard. And most games run in 60 frames per second. There are some game decisions that are made within 2-3/60th of a second. Those things will impact the game big time if its a matter of you being able to block after a small stun period.

there are some glitches that require less than 5/60th, or even the smallest unuit... the 1/60th of a second execution.... those things will be impossible to do with lag.

FPS is much more tolerant on lag, but even high tourney games are played on LAN.... mainly for cheats, but at least they play on minimal lag setting....

ive seen arcade emulators that you can play online. And its pretty good on lag.. Although the above problem still persists so you cant perform anything JF (Just frame) like consistently. Although I dont have any controllers or sticks for PCs, I heard you can easily get a converter to usb.

so except for the small lag, you can still enjoy online fighting if you want.

im really cruious as to how DOA:U and SF:aniversarry versions are going to be able to handle online play. Im crossing my fingers that it isnt going to be anything like Capcom VS SNK2....

	07-08-2004 23:22									#58
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Playing this on-line would be difficult indeed. I see a tactic that would imvolve rushing your opponent while there would be no response from him.

In the same as camping isn't a really good tactic in fps games.
Your own reaction time + net-time = dead.
Therefore who ever is able to make the first moves wins as the othe is will always be running behind the facts.

	07-08-2004 23:31									#59
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It's the same with FPS though, and it works. With a good connection and sub 40 ping it plays no differently from LAN.

	07-08-2004 23:38									#60
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in case noone knows about capcom vs snk2 situation, its classic problem of lag going horrible wrong.

In capcom VS SNK 2, character can roll around. they are invulnerable to attack for duration while they rolll, but as a penalty they have vulnerable period afterward while they are still finishing a rolling period. rolls are a very good defensive tool because your opponent will miss an attack. Already good enough for it to be somewhat of a difficult defensive maunver to punish.

When the game lags like in xbox live however, its impossible to punish an opponent rolling because its hard to hit them during the short vulnerability period. The result is everyone just rolling around abusing the slight lag masking their vulnerability and taking full advantage of the roll's benefit hoping opponent will make a mistake.....