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Ramo
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Austin, Texas, USA
Oct 1999
time: 23:34
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I see you believe the rumors too. |
The prisoner abuse isn't rumor, it's fact. Our troops conducted the raid. In fact, I know that you've seen the story (at least) twice.
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Brahimi didn't go along with anything. That is pure speculation on your part. |
Not according to the UN.
"Brahimi had been frustrated for some weeks, feeling he had been sidelined by the United States in the process of setting up the Iraqi interim government."
"Many understood that Brahimi's role was also to assist in making the major appointments in the new government. But the Americans and the Governing Council members close to them were not about to clear the way for the UN envoy.
Iraqi officials were later surprised at the massive pressure the Americans laid on Brahimi, and at his passive attitude toward the pressure. When the new appointments were announced, Brahimi's spokesman expressed concern. "This is not the way we imagined things," he said."
The Haartz article I originally found is down, but I found the Apolyton thread I posted story in.
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...ghlight=brahimi
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You have conducted an opinion poll to confirm this? |
No, but the CPA did. He had abysmal popularity levels.
http://wid.ap.org/documents/iraq/cp...v3_document.htm
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Ramo
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Austin, Texas, USA
Oct 1999
time: 23:34
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Show me a third time. |
No, you'll just ignore it a third time. If you honestly can't remember it, it's a Guardian article. When I posted it the second time, you mentioned that you saw it already.
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That's nice. But he didn't "go along with it." The US sidelined him, on certain appointments, and this I have never disuputed. But Brahimi never fully endorsed them. |
"Iraqi officials were later surprised at the massive pressure the Americans laid on Brahimi, and at his passive attitude toward the pressure."
That was my original claim. Proven. QED.
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That's a pretty picture. (I can barley even read it). There doesn't seem to be much parity among the people listed, except for Sistani (no brainer) who clearly is popular. But calling it "abysmal" is a nice exaggeration on your part. |
Allawi has 21% supported (only 3% strongly), and 61% opposed (a whopping 40% of it strongly). Those numbers aren't abysmal? And only two politicians in the poll have worse numbers (and both happen to be Kurds), most of them better, much better. Like the whole right side of the poll. Calling it something other than abysmal is inanity on your part. 
As for the bad resolution, blame the CPA. 
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Ramo
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Austin, Texas, USA
Oct 1999
time: 23:34
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"[What's the point in claiming something if you're not going to back it up?]" |
I know that you're just being an ass, but I'll do it anyway.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Stor...1250526,00.html
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You said, "We wanted Allawi. And we pressured Brahimi into going along with it." So your "addendum" claim does not supersede the "orignial" claim? |
We did want Allawi. There's no doubt about that. After Chalabi fell through, he was the administration's favorite. The CIA (he was their boy after all), State love him, etc.
As for the pressure, that's what the quote demonstrates. Again:
"Iraqi officials were later surprised at the massive pressure the Americans laid on Brahimi, and at his passive attitude toward the pressure."
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Why don't you list a readable graphic or the numbers themselves? From a visual standpoint he doesn't stick out, and the only guy that does is Sistani and the person to the left of him. |
Because you can do it just as easily as I could. Put them in a graphics program and zoom.
Christ, just stop your *****ing. It's the CPA's graphic. I'm not going to redo a three month old poll just so it could go into and out of your head.
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Well which one is it? You are flaming the CPA yet want to use their numbers as proof of...? |
Allawi's unpopularity. Their polling abilities have absolutely nothing to do with their web-mastering abilities.
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It has everything to do with the topic.
Freedom of expression and freedom of the press are both Consitutional rights. It's a good parallel.
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No it's not. If you think that banning a news agency from a country is comparable to banning religious garments from public schools, you need to take some medication.
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Comrade Tassadar
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While it may not be a human rights violation (in the strongest sense of the word), if the Ameriraqi government was really concerned about democracy they'd let all voices be heard.
It doesn't matter how biased or unbiased the newssource is...If they want to speak, let them speak and let the people decide whether they listen or not.
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