25-08-2004 08:08									#361
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It was close: my original kill order was Gamecube and then I changed.

This all harkens back to an earlier discussion about whether mafia should be permitted to contact each other if they guess and want a double victory.

But how come I got two kills in a row at the end?

	25-08-2004 13:36									#362
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I could write a nice ending paragraph, but you already know what the beef is and we even have a sign-up thread so I'll just spare everybody and spill the beans.

quote: Originally PM'ed to me by Kuciwalker Hercules was the first mafia to get the kill. The clue I've been giving for him is "strength". If you look, you'll see that in every single one where he got a kill (I think in one, it was actually at the beginning of the next one) Hammond, the clue-giver (whose role was later taken up by Ed Regis, as I mentioned) mentioned something about a lot of strength. Hell, I even said godlike strenght in one. I'm surprised no one noticed that. Ben Kenobi is the other mafia, the one who just made two consecutive kills. His clue is religion. Again, Hammond was the clue-giver.

The final round written by me didn't contain really any clues, I thought that there'd been enough already. And what do you know, a certain double Mafia victory became a villager victory. Congrats to Spaced and Gamecube64.

	25-08-2004 15:00									#363
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Kuciwalker

quote: btw, for reasons I won't divulge here, the mafia from the previous chapter is doing the kill in this one as well, but both are still alive.[/b] Kuciwalker [quote] Ben Kenobi is the other mafia, the one who just made two consecutive kills. His clue is religion. Again, Hammond was the clue-giver.

The problem is this is not true:
Kill Mafia Victim
Mafia O Hercules Adagio
Mafia 1 Ben Kenobi Kass
Mafia 2 Hercules GJRamsey
Mafia 3 Ben Kenobi Skanky
Mafia 4 Hercules Jonny
Mafia 5 Ben Kenobi Duke of York
Mafia 6 Hercules Rah
Mafia 7 Ben Kenobi Flameflash
Mafia 8 Hercules Loinburger
Mafia 9 Hercules Ben Kenobi

I was not expecting to have the last kill, unless the other Mafia was killed and he wasn't.

	25-08-2004 15:07									#364
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Yes, my calculations showed Ben Kenobi should kill last round. Boy, I was surprised to see him killed. For a moment I suspected Spaced Cowboy. But when you voted second Herc, I knew it was your plot.

	25-08-2004 15:18									#365
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So if Ben Kenobi had the last kill correctly, according to his own thinking (of achieving a double Mafia win) he would have killed either Spaced Cowboy or Gamecube64.

This would have left Ben Kenobi, Gamecube64/Spaced and Me.

To continue: Ben Kenobi would, again according to his reasoning, voted Gamecube64/Spaced or me. If he voted Gamecube/Spaced I too would have voted Gamecube/Spaced. If he voted for me, I would then have voted for him, leaving Gamecube/Spaced to choose. But in either scenario it would be a Mafia victory regardless.

Last edited by Hercules on 25-08-2004 at 15:31

	25-08-2004 15:29									#366
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Look at my orders to Kassi. I figured you were Mafia some time ago, and left you alone. You never appeared even on my final list because I wanted a cool allied Mafia victory.

Risky business Ben. It is customary to execute the other mafia without delay as soon as you are sure about it. And it is prudent too. Rah played the same way when I was GM.

EDIT: Make the above sentence my eighth survival rule.

	25-08-2004 16:09									#367
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I went by with what Kuciwalker told me: that Ben had killed consecutively twice. Therefore I assumed that Hercules was the next one. Herc was clearly nonplussed by this, and I should have suspected the matter that instant, but I had to dance around the issue to avoid divulging anything, and had Hercules do the kill.

So I'll just hop on merrily here and wash my hands of the entire affair if you please

	25-08-2004 17:19									#368
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	25-08-2004 18:05									#369
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So again, when down to three people, the mafia voted second. hmmmmm. Patterns can be dangerous.

	25-08-2004 18:59									#370
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Yea! I got mail!

	26-08-2004 02:07									#371
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I look forward to Kuciwalkers fuller explanation and of the clues and the kill method when he returns.

	26-08-2004 07:33									#372
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quote: Mafia 8 Hercules Loinburger

Skywalker screwed up my kill. I wanted to off Loinburger, and Skywalker missed my queue, flipped a coin, and killed Flameflash, all before waiting for my response. Since he messed up, I demanded that I get my kill as intended, Loinburger.

So this is the true order of Mafia kills.


Mafia 6 Hercules Rah
Mafia 7 (Skywalker coinflip) Flameflash
Mafia 8 (Ben Kenobi) Loinburger
Mafia 9 Hercules Ben Kenobi

Interesting that both of us had Loinburger to be killed in the same round.

Great minds think alike.

	26-08-2004 07:43									#373
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Thanks a bit clearer now but was confusing at the time.

	26-08-2004 14:50									#374
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi However, it is a testament of the competence of the villagers that the only thing that could stop the mafia were the mafia themselves.

	26-08-2004 14:52									#375
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Congrats to the survivors, who got it just in time.

	26-08-2004 14:59									#376
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Come on and join Mafia 25 Sean! You have nothing to fear now, since I'm GMing

The theme is renaissance Italy and I'll make you one of the popes

	29-08-2004 07:19									#377
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quote: Originally posted by Ljube-ljcvetko OK, this is a pretty clear case. One killer is Hercules (very strong - the strongest man in history). The other is Ben Kenobi (religious, cross, Christianity). However, since you killed Frozzy, one of the mafias wins unless the one who is about to kill now, I guess it's Sean, kills the other one. Will both mafias win if they survive, or just the one whose turn to kill comes? I suggest the latter to avoid mafia conspiracies.

Finally, someone got it!

	29-08-2004 07:20									#378
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quote: Originally posted by Hercules Kuciwalker The problem is this is not true: Kill Mafia Victim Mafia O Hercules Adagio Mafia 1 Ben Kenobi Kass Mafia 2 Hercules GJRamsey Mafia 3 Ben Kenobi Skanky Mafia 4 Hercules Jonny Mafia 5 Ben Kenobi Duke of York Mafia 6 Hercules Rah Mafia 7 Ben Kenobi Flameflash Mafia 8 Hercules Loinburger Mafia 9 Hercules Ben Kenobi I was not expecting to have the last kill, unless the other Mafia was killed and he wasn't.

BK also wanted to kill loinburger.

	29-08-2004 11:23									#379
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Time for this one to drift down.
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