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duke o' york is offline duke o' york

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Recently, in the English Rugby League (as opposed to the Rugby Union league ), all of the teams added nicknames to their real names. So the team that is closest to where I work (and for whom I couldn't give any more of a toss than any of the other teams in this rubbish sport) used to be called Wakefield Trinity. Now, thanks to the wonders of making the game more appealing to God knows whom, they are called the Wakefield Trinity Wildcats. Not Wakefield Wildcats, which would have been far more sensible, but the whole damned lot.

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I wonder what [...] Salt Lake City will have for their nicknames when they come in next year.


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Recently, in the English Rugby League...


That's the "game" with all the good bits of Rugby taken out.

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Bah, I prefer League to Union... maybe because League is somewhat similar to American football in having a certain number of tries to get where you are going. Much more fun to watch than a ruck or maul after every single tackle in Union.

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I'm not talking about watching it - I'm talking about playing it.

League rules are like, "Don't him him! You might hurt him!"

Union rules are more like "Kick the living sh1t out of him, and anyone else (so long as you are onside)."

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Whose talking about playing anything? This thread is about watching... unless you happen to be an EPL player in disguise .

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This is going totally off topic, but hell.

League requires being big, strong, quick and skilful, whereas Union requires being big, strong and for the players in some positions to be skilful.

Besides, Aussie rules kicks ass in the non-armoured field-based ruck department.

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I love Aussie rules. It's professional kill the carrier.

-Arrian

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Aussie Rules is definetly interesting. It adds more 'foot' to Rugby. Also that dribbling every 15 yards of running is kinda fun as well.

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BTW: Zidane has just announced he has retired from international football.

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Oh, and it's been announced that Vieira will be France's captain for 2006.

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Assuming he still merits a place in the team by then. After a few years playing for Real Madrid and being horribly exposed defensively by his lazy-ass showboating team-mates he might not look so good.

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He'll still be good enough to captain the French. His loss to Arsenal will be much felt.

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BTW: Zidane has just announced he has retired from international football.


No big deal to me. I remember when he was at Juventus, passing the ball if he was ever in danger of being under even slight pressure and dropping Davids in the **** every time. He does one flick (that a non-leaguer could do) and the commentators go insane. We wouldnt have him here, far too lazy for English football. No doubt all the pundits will drone on about him too, what a great loss to international football etc.

Scoring the penalty versus us after being sick seconds earlier is the only world class thing ive seen him do.

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That goal he scored in the Champions League final a couple of years ago was certainly world-class.

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Which?

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The one from this game:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foo...gue/1990385.stm

It was basically a high ball that he watched all the way and volleyed with his left foot from the edge of the box. He connected perfectly and it went flying into the top corner. An extremely difficult skill executed to perfection at a crucial time of the world's biggest club fixture.

He also scored two goals in the '98 world cup final. The goals themselves were pretty routine, but stepping up and performing to your best on such a major occasion is something I would describe as world-class.

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Considering his work rate im not surprised he scores goals and gets in situations like that.

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I think he works much harder than many other players, sometimes even to hard.

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That goal he scored in the Champions League final a couple of years ago was certainly world-class.

Knew immediately which one you were talking about

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I always liked the guy (Zidane) and he did one of the coolest alliterative front and last names I've ever heard .

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When I said I left out American teams, I was referring to teams from all of the Americas. No MLS teams would make the top 25, but I think Boca Juniors and River Plate might have a shot at it.

As for my ranking of the leagues, most people think the Spanish league is the best. I think it is way overrated. I mean the year before last, champions league had 3 out of its four last teams Italian. And the remaining Spanish team didn't advance past that. I look at Valencia, who got about as many points as Arsenal did, and most of their players are unknowns, whereas Arsenal is filled with well known internationals. As for Portugal, there is no way the Portugese league is better than the Dutch league, much less the French league. Porto had a great run, but that doesn't mean the league is better than a middleweight class league. I think the Belgian league is almost as good as the Portugese league.

MLS has improved very rapidly. The level of play is getting much better each year. And the league just started, don't be so critical. The premiership wasn't a great league in its first decade. One thing that makes the MLS underrated is the MLS has a salary cap, therefore there is parity among the teams. The top team isn't that much worse than the worst team. So a foreigner might watch the two best MLS teams play and think that the league isn't any good. Another thing that people must understand when they watch MLS is that there is a stupid playoff system where almost all of the MLS teams advance. This gives little incentive for most teams to go out and try hard, because they know they will go to the playoffs. So most regular season MLS games have two teams that aren't really trying. If you watch the championship, I predict you will be pleasantly surprised about the how good the teams are.

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That's true, about the playoff. It's almost like the NHL playoff in absurdity. I hope that when they go to 12, they come up with a better system. Perhaps only have the division winners go to the playoffs (ie, one Championship Game). That would make the regular season much more fun!

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The first thing you need to do is reorganise your league structure. When almost all the games each season are not fully competitive then there is a limit to how high the overall quality can get.

In regard to the relative strengths of Valencia and Arsenal - don't be fooled by the lack of star names on Valencia's squad list (and their players are far from 'unknown', by the way). Arsenal are unquestionably a fantastic team. Valencia, for example, is a case of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts. They are a very well organised team with some superb players (even though they don't often get headlines, it doesn't mean they're not top quality). I can assure you that Valencia would finish in the top 3 of any league in the world.

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*Gasp* There is a world-class team with a 'team' concept instead of buying the biggest names it can find?

Oh, as for our league structure. I think it done that way because the Big 4 do it mostly that way. Hopefully they change it, but I doubt it.

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*Gasp* There is a world-class team with a 'team' concept instead of buying the biggest names it can find?


Astounding, isn't it?

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Is a hierarchical league structure with promotion and relegation a realistic model for the MLS to follow?

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No, probably not. If MLS wants a real TV deal (the ESPN2 one isn't that good), it'll be dead if there is a chance that LA or NY teams could get relegated to a lower level.

So for now, no way in Hell.

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Theyre still boring. They need to get rid of highbury, its too small and encourages the same type of game from them week in, week out.


Arsenal is moving into a new stadium soon. A sixty-something thousand seater (64, IIRC).

I’ve heard many criticisms of the Gunners (generally, ill informed criticisms ), but boring is never one of them. With the exception of a handful of games toward the end of the season where the were grinding out results toward the title, they were playing one of the most exciting, open, skillful brands of football anyway.

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I have never seen a MLS game but the key comparison with the Premiership is consistency. There are probably a lot of sides who would show up well against a top Premiership team in a single game. Could a MLS team maintain that level over the course of a season with 50+ competitive games?


No, not against top sides over the course of a season. And I do watch a great deal of the MLS.

But not many teams anywhere in football can keep up with the unrelenting grind that is the English game. Not even the teams that compete in it. Accordingly, the Premier League has become two leagues of late, Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester United, the big rich clubs and the only contenders for the title. Then there are your second tier teams competing for Champion League spots, usually Liverpool, Newcastle, and a rotating cast of a few more teams. But last year for example, there was a huge point difference on the table between 3 and 4, IIRC.

The top MLS teams could compete in the Premiership, but only with those teams outside of the top 5. And that is not certain.

 
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