10-08-2004 15:20									#1
	PLUS per post option Increase Your PM Length

i was wondering : is there an interest for post-based option for Plus?

e.g. you pay X $ for 500 or 1000 posts(OT counted ), no matter the time period

obviously this would interest two kinds of people:
- lurkers
- people who dont post frequently or come and go

coming up with a price will be tricky....

thoughts ?

(it's also obvious that geting feedback from the above types of users will be even trickier )

	10-08-2004 15:43									#2
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Is this supposed to be a measure to discourage spam?

Why would the above groups be interested in plus, if they never bother posting here?

[edit] I admit that when I first saw this, I thought that you were offering to boost people's post count if they paid you. Now there you might have a better money-spinner.

	10-08-2004 16:39									#3
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quote: Why would the above groups be interested in plus, if they never bother posting here?

there are lots of people who visit the site without posting or who visit the site frequently but post rarely

not everyone has a 2.67 posts/day ratio like you, there are many with a 0.5 ratio. these could benefit from such an option as they wouldnt have the anxiety that they "loose money" cause they dont visit the site every day

	10-08-2004 16:57									#4
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*Asmodean wonders if said people:

a) ever read the community forum - and -
b) would post to show their interest in abovementioned option, if they did read it *

	10-08-2004 17:05									#5
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Thanks for my PPD level, I never bother looking my own up.

The vast majority of the people with the small PPD values post mostly on OT, and it is only that these posts don't count that they seem to have such a low value. You suggested that OT posts would count anyway, which obviously would prevent Pekka and others who rarely post outside the OT getting PLUS for years on the cheap, but would also mean that OT-only posters wouldn't be getting a better deal than just joining anyway. For example, DanielXY has been here for years, but is still a settler because he's only interested in debating the topics of the day in OT. He has a tiny postcount (15), and a PPD of 0.02, but is a valuable member of the OT community and visits regularly. He'd use up the post limit quite soon and then be getting a bad deal.
I agree that you'll have a job getting any response from true on-topic lurkers about this, and seriously doubt whether you'll get any takers. Good luck though! PLUS has great benefits and a wider take-up would be better for both the site and the users.

	10-08-2004 17:26									#6
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well here are some interesting statistics: in 2004
- 14520 valid unique users (fully registered with a real email) visited the site
- 9501 of them have never made a post
- of the remaining 5019 that have posted (ever)
- 3106 have posted during 2004 (and 65 of them have never posted outside the OT! )
- 1913 visited but didnt not post at all

	10-08-2004 18:00									#7
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG not everyone has a 2.67 posts/day ratio like you,

Yes, some have more like 4

I don't think there'd be much point, actually. I doubt lurkers are gonna pay money.

	10-08-2004 18:32									#8
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This might be worth investigating, but then the target audience will mostly not be aware of this feature.

PPD is only impressive once it reaches double-digits.

	10-08-2004 21:49									#9
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As long as OT posts still don't count... what am I averaging? 0.0000025 posts/day

	10-08-2004 22:05									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns This might be worth investigating, but then the target audience will mostly not be aware of this feature.

Who comes in here, anyway, except for OTFer's looking for spam and a certain special type of n00b?

quote: PPD is only impressive once it reaches double-digits.

I lurked for months before posting

	10-08-2004 23:03									#11
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quote: 3106 have posted during 2004 (and 65 of them have never posted outside the OT! )

DLs!

At first I thought you were selling postcount increases by 500 and 1000 blocks...

	10-08-2004 23:21									#12
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I could see if being good later on. I might have to go off and do some military stuff in 3 years or so and it'd be useful at that time probably. Until then, I don't know though.

	10-08-2004 23:43									#13
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I don't think this idea is worth pursuing.

	11-08-2004 00:54									#14
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quote: (and 65 of them have never posted outside the OT! )

	11-08-2004 00:57									#15
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That still wouldn't get rid of all the DLs.

Some of them would have a few posts ontopic.

	11-08-2004 01:38									#16
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quote: (and 65 of them have never posted outside the OT! )

Wow, I've made that many this year?

	11-08-2004 04:34									#17
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How large is the number of very frequent posters? (at least once a day)

	11-08-2004 04:36									#18
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Less than 1000, IIRC.

	11-08-2004 04:54									#19
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Sounds like a good option for those who don't post frequently.

But, as others have said, you may not reach your target audience easily, much less in here.

	11-08-2004 05:06									#20
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There are better ways to market segment.

Give me a free PLUS membership and I will tell you what they are.

	11-08-2004 08:44									#21
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well give me a free sample first and we'll talk

	11-08-2004 10:19									#22
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Markos should have Ming think up stuff like this

	11-08-2004 13:38									#23
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As a member who almost exclusively posts in the OTF, I think this would be an excellent idea.

EDIT: Ugh. Then I think it's a stupid idea. ;-/

Last edited by VJ on 13-08-2004 at 02:10

	11-08-2004 13:43									#24
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you missed the part about ot posts counting

	11-08-2004 18:20									#25
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I think everyone who posts mostly in OT should get PLUS for free.

	12-08-2004 01:57									#27
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Well, I might be about as interested in this as in the other ones, depending on what the rates will be... But I don't expect to subscribe anytime soon...

I guess the rates could be somewhere in the vicinity of this:

quote: $25 for 500 posts (= $0.05 per post) If you have less than ~0.986 PPD, you'll be cheaper off than with a yearly subscription of $18. $40 for 1000 posts (= $0.04 per post) In this case, less than ~1.233 PPD would make it cheaper than a yearly subscription.

	12-08-2004 05:34									#28
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$25 for 500 posts?! It's only $18 for a YEAR, and I post way more than 500 posts a year

	13-08-2004 00:22									#29
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG obviously this would interest two kinds of people: - lurkers - people who dont post frequently or come and go

I don't think you can expect anything cheaper than $18 a year. For the die-hard lurkers, 500 posts could last them years.

My PPD is almost exactly 1, for instance (though, realistically, it's a bit higher, since I wasn't here from the very beginning, and I mostly lurked (even more) the first few years).

	13-08-2004 09:10									#30
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I paid for PLUS w/out any need of a discount because I lurk more than I post.
I don't see the incentive. I'd be less inclined to post if it cost me more.