22-08-2004 20:48									#61
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I am sincerely glad that you have fun with your game. I can assure you, that I have fun with mine too. An older game, iirc from 1999, and still supported. Quality!

	22-08-2004 23:05									#62
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Sir Ralph is the main issue for you the lack of resources? If so why not make up maps every chance you get for a few weeks that have enough to suit you. Then after a bit of time passes they can be played with little fear of prior knowledge.

If you have some other concerns that cannot be address, then I understand.

	23-08-2004 00:17									#63
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Well, the lots of bugs the game has, that spoil the fun? AI armies, stealth units, barbarians to begin with? AI city placement, tile improvement, other disappeared PtW AI tweaks? Resources, which make war obligatory and screw not the human, but the AI?

This game is in a sorry state and certainly not worth my time. Spare time is a scarce resource, you know. Don't waste it with something that makes you upset instead of enjoying you.

	23-08-2004 13:09									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Antrine Theseus was the Greek not any AI. And he got his *** kicked.

Yes, but by Nathan. Even Theseus can be excused for that!

	23-08-2004 16:50									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Whatever, it's your game. I don't even play it anymore.

Then why try to ruin it for others?

	23-08-2004 17:44									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Petrus2 Then why try to ruin it for others?

You aren't forced to read my posts. The forum has an ignore feature. I am as free to express my opinion as you are.

	23-08-2004 18:44									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph You aren't forced to read my posts. The forum has an ignore feature. I am as free to express my opinion as you are.

No no no, that's not my point. I respect your right to an opinion, your right to not like the game, and/or to think resources should be different. I've never suggested otherwise. But you yourself state that your time is a valuable resource, and that you clearly don't like the game. So I just don't understand why you continue to make such negative posts and take the time to do it. Those here I think DO like the game, and generally speaking people would rather have suggestions for improvements (or mods, etc) than put-downs.

Having said that, I will give you the last word on it, which I'll read like I've read the others. I won't reply, though, and will let this drop.

	23-08-2004 19:01									#68
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Sir Ralph is an entertaining curmudgeon, though, so I don't mind.

	23-08-2004 22:05									#69
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Great. Either be a fanboy and praise everything, even the bugs, or bugger off. Something I didn't hear on these boards for at least 2 years.

I am here because I like the game and it buggers me greatly, that its support has been dropped in such a feeble state. And I have bad news for you. I won't go away. You can solve your problem by clicking this link.

	23-08-2004 22:10									#70
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Of course this wasn't meant for you, T.

Curmudgeon?

	23-08-2004 23:08									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Great. Either be a fanboy and praise everything, even the bugs, or bugger off. Something I didn't hear on these boards for at least 2 years. I am here because I like the game and it buggers me greatly, that its support has been dropped in such a feeble state. And I have bad news for you. I won't go away. You can solve your problem by clicking this link.

Well I wasn't GOING to reply, but personal insults have changed my mind. I won't bother going into detail about how I know the game isn't perfect, but am comfortable I have my money's worth (and have posted EXACTLY to that affect). Nor about how it seems some think they get THEIR opinion, but then others don't get the same privilege. Or give personal insult just because they can.

So I'll do the next best thing - I won't bother coming to Apolyton, where apparently a dissenting opinion isn't appreciated. Looks like I'll just go to CivFanatics, where the whining is less and the advice just as good.

And feel free to take another cheap shot, since I won't be around to respond. I'd expect no different.

	23-08-2004 23:15									#72
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Personal insults? You can report my posts to the moderators, if you feel insulted.

Whatever, have fun at CFC.

	24-08-2004 00:32									#73
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Petrus2 I am not sure I see any personal attacks. but even if there are, there is no need to quit over one person disagreeing with you.

OTOH CFC is a perfectly good site. Good luck either way.

	24-08-2004 01:04									#74
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Personally, I think Iron should still be needed for Pikes & Knights. I'd agree with dropping it from factories and railroad. The high quality Iron needed for Pikes & Knights wasn't universal in the early portion of the middle ages.

I'd also keep the oil and rubber requirement for modern era units.

quote: Originally posted by Jaybe Iron: Remove it as a requirement for everything other than the Ancient Era combat units that need it. So, whether it is pikes, knights, factories or railroads, iron shouldn't be needed. But for creating early iron swords (much better than copper), it SHOULD be needed. Why? Because historically, once the pioneering technologies matured, it was available practically everywhere. Actually, Aluminum resource more represents a technology than "metals" also. Yes, strategic resources should only be required in the era of its introduction.

	24-08-2004 01:07									#75
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All I can think of is, that he took the sentence ("either be a fanboy or bugger off") not as quintessence of his earlier post directed to me, but as attack against him. Admittedly he said it more polite. But I am used to call things by their true name. I will call a "buggy mess" a "buggy mess" and not a "great game worth my money, with tiny flaws". And I perfectly can understand a "bugger off" as "bugger off", even though it's expressed as "why are you wasting your valuable time here".

That said, CFC is really not a bad choice.

	24-08-2004 01:25									#76
	Too many goodbyes around here!! Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Here, now again I summarize our collective cascading disappointment:

TO WIT: Firaxis abandons supporting game, after 'fan faring' opposite messages early this year. A comedy of errors ensues with the support that was. Inadequacy paves the way to new projects, leaving a trail of a ‘broken’ game.

Fellowship here dwindles to dribbles and hurt feelings. Others are still in the loop Alpha testing CIV IV, however are now BOUND and GAGGED. (I am not one them, I ***** too much, too readily and with way too much logic).

	24-08-2004 05:48									#77
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Oh, enough already.

BTW, SR have you tried the latest version of the AU Mod? It... helps.

	24-08-2004 14:51									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Antrine Theseus was the Greek not any AI. And he got his *** kicked.

deleted.

My fault Alexman, I didn't realize there were still on-going games.

	24-08-2004 17:48									#79
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I have had some monstrously fun games in C3C where I started without Horses (more often than anything) and Iron (quite often) but Ivory. Thus out comes the SoZ and ACs get me the resources I need. I admit these are of course flukes, as Ivory is scarce too.

Although I have not exhausted my patience due to the scarcer resources, thinking about it now there are certainly some issues with it. Especially with Iron being so vital early on and then when RRs come around, lacking Iron will kill almost any chance you have, unless you have quite a virtuoso performance. Also, with scarcer resources it can be nigh-on impossible to secure yourself a source with corruption so high that colonies in a far-off place to get them sometimes negatively affect your civ too much. (NB: this is my personal bugbear - corruption. I want it like in Civ2, where I could establish a transcontinental colonial empire and actually keep it productive! :doitnow: ) Yes I know that part of this can be said to increase the need and value of trading with other civs, but if you're the tiniest bit more successful than they are (and in games against the AI, who ISn't?) you can't buy that Saltpeter for love nor money.

My ideal (and highly hypothetical and possibly Civ4 material ) solution would be for most resources to appear in more locations as tech progresses. So if a civ had the only access to Iron, they would have a short-term advantage (like the Assyrians in real history), but as tech progressed then others would get it too, and the advantage would not be there any more, and no-one advanced enough would be inhibited from getting these more crucial resources. Uranium and arguably Oil I think should stay rare.

	24-08-2004 20:30									#80
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Mad Bomber, you're welcome to comment in the AU 601 threads, but since most of the games are still going on, could you please edit your spoiler post? Thanks.

PS. You should look closer at the Greek start, by the way.

	24-08-2004 20:59									#81
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MrWhereItsAt it makes sense that more resources become available as time and tech move on.

We see that discoveries of oil continue as tech and time pass. They can recover some previously exhausted well sites.

Coal mining is extended as well. Even horses become more available.

	24-08-2004 21:44									#82
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I think it would be cool to trade for horses and be able to choose to use those 20 turns of horse imports to "seed" your empire with them, so that you have your own supply from that point onward (no horse unit building while seeding, though).

-Arrian

	24-08-2004 22:07									#83
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Maybe the AI really trades you mules instead horses.

	24-08-2004 22:11									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian I think it would be cool to trade for horses and be able to choose to use those 20 turns of horse imports to "seed" your empire with them, so that you have your own supply from that point onward (no horse unit building while seeding, though). -Arrian

You could do this in Colonization. Buy 50 horses, put them in stables and have them grow. That was a great game. Those were the days.

	24-08-2004 22:56									#85
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quote: Originally posted by gunkulator Maybe the AI really trades you mules instead horses.

Cracked me up, but maybe they just send all males, so no breeding.

	24-08-2004 23:16									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph You could do this in Colonization. Buy 50 horses, put them in stables and have them grow. That was a great game. Those were the days.

Indeed. Loved that game

	25-08-2004 04:41									#87
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what bastard would just send all male horses

that's why horses cannot disappear as a strategic resources. They can breed and sustain themselves. Similarly, rubber bannot disappear as a resource.

	02-09-2004 23:32									#88
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Not sure if this belongs here or not. I just two occassions where frigates shot down bombers??

They showed the animation of missiles, never knew frigates had missiles, so maybe they are unbalanced.

Three frigates covering one galleon and they shot down two bombers, that is better than DD's.

	03-09-2004 05:44									#89
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 Not sure if this belongs here or not. I just two occassions where frigates shot down bombers?? They showed the animation of missiles, never knew frigates had missiles, so maybe they are unbalanced. Three frigates covering one galleon and they shot down two bombers, that is better than DD's.

Frigates do not have AA capability, so its not them. The bombers were shot down by a unit transported in the galleon which does have AAA capability

	03-09-2004 09:38									#90
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Makes sense.

Edit: I left off the (s) for makes sense. It would have read make sense, not exactly what I meant.