15-08-2004 09:09									#1
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(Here's the discussion thread. It explains the froody experimental selection process that was used for this game.)

Players:
Rommel2D jwala at fastmail dot fm (Arabia)
OPEN (Dutch)
Mickeyj mickeyj AT dsl DOT pipex DOT com (Germany)
Beta brucehynes57 ATATAT rogers DOTDOT com (India)
Kloreep (Iroquois)
Snoopy369 [who is at yahoo dot com] (Russia)

Settings:
Standard Pagaea, 80% water (to give seafarers some 'real estate')
Restless barbarians
C/T/A: normal/temperate/4bill
Default rules, except no culturally linked starts
Monarch level
NoAIPatrol=0

Everyone has until the end of their second turn (3950BC) to call for a restart, except for anyone with an agricultural Civ. Once you call for a restart, you must play what you get from then on.
No communication about in-game content via private email, snail mail, telephone, or otherwise. The only out of game communication about game events should be in this thread, after all the tribes have met. Think of it as the global broadcast media.

Iron Civer Warrior Code is to be used, the diplomatic (1.2) options included.

Last edited by Rommel2D on 05-02-2005 at 07:09

	15-08-2004 09:11									#2
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If anyone wants their email added/deleted/changed above, just let me know

	15-08-2004 15:57									#3
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Whats Beta's email?

	15-08-2004 15:57									#4
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What official rules are we using if any?

	15-08-2004 15:58									#5
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What if I dont like my Civ?

	15-08-2004 17:36									#6
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Turn sent to Rommel - 3950bc.

	15-08-2004 18:44									#7
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Little bit of post count padding there con???

You and Paddy should have a contest some day.

my email is brucehynes57 ATATAT rogers DOTDOT com

	15-08-2004 23:41									#8
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I'm sure he was just reserving some posts at the top so he can edit in scoring updates, an AAR, and his favorite recipies...

	15-08-2004 23:49									#9
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 What official rules are we using if any?

No communication about in-game content via private email, snail mail, telephone, or otherwise. The only communication should be in this thread, after all the tribes have met.

Should we play with Iron Civer etiquette, including the 1-2 options? Ship chains allowed? I prefer private combat reports that cover most of the useful information...

	15-08-2004 23:51									#10
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3950bc to mickeyj

	15-08-2004 23:53									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D No communication about in-game content via private email, snail mail, telephone, or otherwise. The only communication should be in this thread, after all the tribes have met.

your kidding, right?

whats the point of diplomacy then

	15-08-2004 23:58									#12
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Well considering the Webster definition of diplomacy:

quote: 2 : skill in handling affairs without arousing hostility : TACT

some of us might be lost causes regardless.

All [edit: out of game] diplomacy is to be conducted by broadcast. No Kremlin Hotlines or clandestine meetings...

	16-08-2004 00:15									#13
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That's one of the reasons I signed up for the PBEM. It's going to be very interesting conducting all diplomacy either out in the open, or through the diplo screen like AIs. (We are allowed to strike deals in secret through the diplo table so long as we don't rename cities to communicate, right?)

	16-08-2004 00:19									#14
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Well, yeah that too.

Hmm, that gives me an idea for another game, where all communication would be through the diplo screen... ;-)

	16-08-2004 00:27									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D All diplomacy is to be conducted by broadcast. No Kremlin Hotlines or clandestine meetings...

I still say

Half the fun of playing humans is diplomacy.

Most of the diplomatic point is lost if everything has to be done in the open.

Why pray god do we have such a rule anyway?

Whats the point?

	16-08-2004 02:37									#16
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Turn Away.

Always good to try something new, this no diplomacy could be interesting.........or a real pain in the a*rse.

	16-08-2004 02:40									#17
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I dunno

diplomacy is what I enjoy in PBEM's.

Not doing it is going to be like, well why dont I play an SP game instead, especially when Beta is playing

	16-08-2004 02:46									#18
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On to Kloreep.

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To snoopy

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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 Not doing it is going to be like, well why dont I play an SP game instead, especially when Beta is playing

Because the AI sucks? This thread should get real interesting once we all meet...

Good movement today.

	16-08-2004 07:03									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D Because the AI sucks? This thread should get real interesting once we all meet... Good movement today.

Well so does Beta, so whats your point?

How will it get interesting? If everything is out in the open, how is that interesting?

	16-08-2004 07:41									#22
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I'd expect it to be like Balderdash, except instead of baseless insults, we'll be bidding on each other's loyalties.

Then again, since you're such an honorable person , all this out-in-the-open discussion will just be old hat. For the rest of us backstabbers, it should be a novel experience.

	16-08-2004 07:43									#23
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There is a difference between back stabbing and keeping your deals close until the right time.

Im just not crazy about not doing diplomacy.

Might as well make it only what you can do with the diplo screen.......

Last edited by conmcb25 on 16-08-2004 at 08:09

	16-08-2004 09:12									#24
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to the wanabe con-man

Could I get an yea or nea from everyone on the Iron Civer etiquette, along with the obligatory argument from con? ;-)

	16-08-2004 09:15									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep (We are allowed to strike deals in secret through the diplo table so long as we don't rename cities to communicate, right?)

Actually, the IC etiquette reads:

quote: Players shall not rename units or cities to disguise the content of unit stacks or diplomatic offers.

As this point stands, you can rename cities or units so long as you are not trying to conceal their true identity.

	16-08-2004 09:20									#26
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No too many rules already

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	16-08-2004 10:04									#27
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No to the entire etiquette/exploit list or just the 1-2 options? Would you mind if snoopy and I use the exploits as a checklist of tactics against you in our alliance?

	16-08-2004 10:24									#28
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^^ Dang it Rommel! You're not supposed to say that until after the fact ...

I vote for Over the Table diplo only. I have about 30 other games with under the table diplo, and that's fun (to a point) ... but it might be interesting with it all being above-board.

It's not NO diplo. It's no SECRET diplo. See it as "Everyone has (good) spies in everyone's office". Conduct your diplomacy as normal -- but in this thread.

Could be a fun twist -- sort of like how the Silent PBEMs are fun (to play one or two of). I'd not play ALL of my games this way, but one game would be fun.

And it was part of the point of this game, wasn't it?

	16-08-2004 11:33									#29
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 And it was part of the point of this game, wasn't it?

Exactly.

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	16-08-2004 12:07									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D Actually, the IC etiquette reads: As this point stands, you can rename cities or units so long as you are not trying to conceal their true identity.

I think we should also make a rule that we can't rename cities for purposes of diplo communication then.