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Koyaanisqatsi is offline Koyaanisqatsi
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui The South Koreans said they told the judges, who said, wait until afterwards and then file it. So if a team was down by 3 at the beginning of a game and then was told to wait until later, they condoned it?

And the judges say that didn't happen. So, who knows? At the very least, even if they were told that, the South Koreans should have known the procedure and done more than just walk away...

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Seeing the character of the judges (ie, the Nemov score and then raising it later due to crowd protests; the phantom disqualifcation [later reversed] of Piersoll, etc), I'm inclined to believe others.

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Well, given the judges lack of spine, I'm inclined to think they would have folded and changed the score rather than just send them away. But like I said, we don't know what happened, so there's no point in going back and trying to correct an official's decision after the point.

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Congratulations to Norway on the Gold in Javelin last night. Now, Gangerolf did say they had some hopes for doing well, but a top spot ahead of so many strong rivals... Heia Norge!

Denmark - Korea starts in half an hour. Now would be a good time to acquire a TV set I suppose, but as it is, thank Heaven for net radio.

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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Um.. then why don't you run the instant replay on Hamm and see what he messed up but wasn't caught? The fact is that this isn't an 'instant replay' error, but an INITIAL score error. It'd be like playing a football game, but the official scorer said one team actually was starting with -3 points.

The thing is that the -.2 points was a manditory deduction. If the judges had seen it, they would have had to take off -.2 points from their scores. The real question should be whether the South Korean should give up his bronze and give it to the gymnist who finished in fourth place due to that judging error!

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The thing is that the -.2 points was a manditory deduction. If the judges had seen it, they would have had to take off -.2 points from their scores.


Once again, why don't we do a replay on Hamm and see what 'manditory' deductions he did that the judges didn't pick up. Seeing deductions is a judge's decision, starting point total isn't.

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No, the real question is why anyone gives a **** about yet another South Korean whine.

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What about the wig???

****ers

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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Once again, why don't we do a replay on Hamm and see what 'manditory' deductions he did that the judges didn't pick up. Seeing deductions is a judge's decision, starting point total isn't.

I basicily disagree. Manditory deduction are not supposed to be part of the judge's decisions. You're welcome to look at the replays on Hamm. Of course if you're looking at a football analogy, I think a situation from some years ago with college football is relevant. The CU Buffs were playing Missouri, and they scored a touchdown to win the game in the last few second on what was believed at the time to be 4th down. However, after the game it turned out that it had actually been a "fifth down", but in a specular screwup the officals had failed to update the down marker after 2nd down and no-one had noticed.

The CU Buffs argued that the outcome should not be changed because they would not have spiked the ball on what was actually 4th down if they had known that instead of thinking it was merely a 3rd down. Ultimately the results of the game with CU getting a 5th down stood, and CU went on that year to win the national championship.

The same essential principle actually applies here. While gymnists would almost never alter their routine, they could make decisions on certain behavoir during it based on the scores of their opponents. For instance, a gymnist could decide to take a step in order to ensure that he doesn't fall, based on the knowledge of what score his nearest competitor who actually already completed his final exercise, wouldn't get ahead of him just based on a minor deduction, but might if he fell. I also know that a Chinese female gymnist ended up sucessfully improving to complete all the elements of her routine after an error, if she though she had a large enough margain, she might decide to leave one of those elements out in order to ensure that she doesn't screw up and make a fall that could really screw up her score. Raising the score of the gymnist behind him/her after the competition would be unfair because it means that he/she made his/her decisions during the competition based on faulty information. For this reason changing scores way after the even if the original score was due to a judging mistake is a bad idea.

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****ing fifth down...

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Denmark in the lead 8-7, halfway through the 1st half.

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14-14 at half time.



This isn't going to be no children's matinée.

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What sport are you talking about? Not all of us are following Danish athletics with bated breath...

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Handball, Women, Final, can't talk..

17-16 Korea..

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Handball .

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good lawd

the USA men just PWN3D the 4x400 relay

Nobody else came close, a 5 second distance between them and second

The American women seem to dominate all the events they are supposed to


Any comment on the men's 4 x 100?

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One to catch today-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/oly...004/3581736.stm

The great Cuban, Mario Kindelan- reckoned by many to be one of the greatest pound-for-pound boxers in the world. He's up against the staggering 17-year old Briton Amir Khan, who has destroyed everyone he's fought. Should be a good one.

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Any comment on the men's 4 x 100?


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Handball:

Korea leads 21-20 with 15 minutes to go.

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Kelly Holmes!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/oly...ics/3609426.stm

Hell of a result.

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Now it's 22-22. 10 minutes to go.

This is going to kill me.

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24-22 Denmark, 6 minutes remaining!!

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25-25, 90 seconds to go.

Danish time-out.

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*faints*

Full time, 25-25. Goes to 2x5 min. extension, just like in Atlanta 1996.

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Why does it always have to be so goddamn exciting?

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Lives will surely be lost from this across the country, don't you think?

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God, taekwondo is hella homo-gay...

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Korea takes first half of the extension, 27-26, 5 minutes yet.

Brrr...

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Korea with a one point lead after the first five minutes. Could have been more, as the Danish players are looking increasingly nervous.

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Perhaps the nervousness is due to the playing of that Zorba theme over and over.

At least now they've changed it to Abba. Hopefully euro-pop will confuse the Koreans.

 
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