18-08-2004 21:04									#61
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RR Tycoon 2

	18-08-2004 21:07									#62
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... and civ 3 is a good game.

	18-08-2004 23:58									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Pythagoras ... and civ 3 is a good game.

Of course it is! It's only a few fools who worship Civ2 like it's a god who think otherwise.

	19-08-2004 00:12									#64
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Civ 3 is ok... I wouldn't go back to Civ 2, but it wasn't that good a sequel either...

	19-08-2004 00:13									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Arnelos Of course it is! It's only a few fools who worship Civ2 like it's a god who think otherwise.

	19-08-2004 02:58									#66
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SMAC >>>> Civ3

ph34r my xenobanana army if you disagree.

	19-08-2004 03:46									#67
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I too have long felt the love for Star Control 2.


Star Control 3, however...

	19-08-2004 04:00									#68
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SC3 falls in the catagory of "Games Which We Do Not Speak Of." Such great potential; such miserable failure.

	19-08-2004 04:34									#69
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quote: Well some are clearly viewing the thread as best game that happens to be a sequel, not sequel that added the most. What if the first game was crap? Then the sequel could be much better, and qualify under Solver's or UR's definition, even if it wasn't as good overall as a sequel to a great game, like Civ2.

However... a sequel to a game that was crap, even if the sequel is mediorce, already adds a ton! I can't think of any crap game with a decent sequel right now though....

I don't know how Doom 2 counts under your definition. It was a great game, as great as Doom1. What did it add, all new levels. Yes, that doesn't seem much, more like an expansion now, but those days there were no level editors yet, no easily accessible mod community/download servers, so I'd say that adding 32 levels to a game with huge gameplay WAS a strong sequel.

	19-08-2004 06:41									#70
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs SC3 falls in the catagory of "Games Which We Do Not Speak Of." Such great potential; such miserable failure.

Again, maybe I'm just sick. I liked SC3. It wasn't worth the $30 I spent on it, to be sure. It was a huge let-down compared to its potential, no argument there, either.

That said, SC3 wasn't BAD, either. It had its moments and was at least fair to moderately good. I certainly enjoyed myself when I played through it the first time, even if it wasn't what I was hoping for.

I had a similar reaction to Deus Ex 2. Sure, it wasn't anywhere nearly the game Deus Ex was, but as with Star Control 2, those are pretty big shoes to fill. It was a fair to moderately good game and if you don't spend the whole time you're playing the game thinking "man, this sucks COMPARED TO the first game", you might actually like it for itself.

	19-08-2004 06:44									#71
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Back to the topic of the thread, I still think that Star Control 2 wins this contest by leaps and bounds. No game can match it for both being an AWESOME game (one of the best of all time) along with being IMMENSELY better than the original game upon which it was based.

In many respects, Star Control 2 is also a sequel or at least an inheretor of the Starflight series for Atari and Amiga (by the same design team as Star Control 2, actually). Even compared to the great games that were the Starflight series, Star Control 2 still makes itself the best sequel of all time in my opinion.

	19-08-2004 09:13									#72
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I'm trying very hard to agree with you that SC3 doesn't suffer from T.F.S. (Total F*cking Suckage) Syndrome despite them intentionally wanting it to be a departure from SC2, but imo it is simply too far from its predecessor. Additionally, that game has probably killed ANY chance of there being a SC4. That's the biggest reason I dislike the sequel.

	19-08-2004 09:19									#73
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Civ 2 is the best sequel.

Plenty of improvements over Civ 1, particularly the macro language.

As for Civ 3, well, it puts me to sleep everytime I play.

	19-08-2004 09:21									#74
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SMB3

	19-08-2004 10:12									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Pythagoras RR Tycoon 2

I cannot tell you how big this game is a disappointment.

Can't build a tunnel? What??

	19-08-2004 19:02									#76
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quote: Civ 2 is the best sequel. Plenty of improvements over Civ 1, particularly the macro language.

What I wanted to was some good gameplay changes. I was never interested in scenarios, I have almost never played any in Civ games. Civ2 kept the boring Caravans, kept Settler micromanagement, kept a rather problematic battle system, so it wasn't that great of a sequel IMHO.

	20-08-2004 06:57									#77
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Civ II.

	21-08-2004 08:55									#78
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In addition to Star Control 2, I'd also like to mention:

Day of the Tentacle

	21-08-2004 09:49									#79
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Seconded.

	21-08-2004 15:02									#80
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Ah yes, a great game.

	21-08-2004 20:35									#81
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That has to be the best adventure sequel of all time.

At least if you're considering the level of improvement over the original. MM was very good, but DOTT was transcendant.

	21-08-2004 21:24									#82
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Gabriel Knight 2 is also a fantastic sequel in that genre.

Possibly you could argue it added less over GK1 than DotT did over MM, which was rather basic. This, though, is due to the level of the original game, not the (admittedly high) quality of the sequel.

	21-08-2004 21:33									#83
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I was going to make exactly that point in my original post.

The same could be said for GK3. All the GK games were different were basic structure, interface, etc., but all were brilliant in their own way.

MM was a terrific game, but I think DOTT was an improvement in every single way.

If you're talking overall quality of the game, I think GK2 and GK3 are in the same league as DOTT. I think DOTT is a better sequel simply because it was a (slight) improvement on the original.

	21-08-2004 21:37									#84
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Yeah I hear you. But as I said earlier this definition is strange, since if a game is way better than the original because it sucked donkey balls, then it could be the best sequel, even if it is only half as good as another sequel which added fewer improvements.