23-08-2004 19:06									#1
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Howdy, folks. I finally broke out my Civ 3 & Conquests and downloaded the latest patch two days ago. So far it's fun and I'm sure I'm making tons of newbie mistakes . It's something I'm very good at!

Like this one, I decided to play the tutorial game on Civ 3 then later that night when I finally got around to reading the Conquests manual I finally realized in order to play Conquests I gotta to use the Conquests disc .

So second time around I popped in the C3C disc and started up a new game.

Few questions:

Is there a way to turn off map grids? I tried the menu and shortcut key command and either didn't work.

Is there a way to 'mark' tiles in the way you could in SMAC/X by using landmark naming features? It's handy to mark down your planned city spots. So far there doesn't seem to be such option available.

I had some more but I cannot recall those right now

	23-08-2004 19:13									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus Few questions: Is there a way to turn off map grids? I tried the menu and shortcut key command and either didn't work.

Yes its one of the three buttons in the top left of the screen. I believe its the Triangle which will pull up a menu and you can select Map and the grid turn on/ off is there.

quote: Originally posted by Barinthus Is there a way to 'mark' tiles in the way you could in SMAC/X by using landmark naming features? It's handy to mark down your planned city spots. So far there doesn't seem to be such option available.

I dont think this is possible.

	23-08-2004 19:18									#3
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CTRL-G works for me to toggle grid on/off.

	23-08-2004 19:18									#4
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 Yes its one of the three buttons in the top left of the screen. I believe its the Triangle which will pull up a menu and you can select Map and the grid turn on/ off is there.

That's what I also tried. Didn't work. I must be doing something wrong

Told ya, I'm a newbie . Will try again when I get home later today.

	24-08-2004 15:08									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus That's what I also tried. Didn't work. I must be doing something wrong Told ya, I'm a newbie . Will try again when I get home later today.

Control G turns the grid off and on, but the default grid setting is off, so this really shouldn't be a concern.

	24-08-2004 15:53									#6
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Well, the grid on/off doesn't seem to follow any rules or even the conquests.ini settings...

	24-08-2004 17:33									#7
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Nope, sorry - there's no landmarking facility available in Civ3. And I'd repeat what was said about turning off the grid, but it's already done. Hope it actually works...

You can always refer to the shortcut keylist at the back of the Civ3 manual - the only thing that vague document is good for.

	25-08-2004 04:39									#8
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I can't imagine ctrl-g not working. That would be a very weird problem indeed.

	25-08-2004 04:47									#9
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Ok I may be a Civ 3 newbie but I'm not a computer newbie. It's confirmed - once turned on, the map grid cannot be turned off.

Also the exploring option doesn't work after a while. After completely exploring my landmass, I had some military and scout units set to exploring and after few turns they stopped exploring after running into barbarians. After taking care of those barbarians they simply refuse to explore again. I have to move them manually and 600 years later exploring feature still refuse to work.

	25-08-2004 04:54									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus Ok I may be a Civ 3 newbie but I'm not a computer newbie. It's confirmed - once turned on, the map grid cannot be turned off.

Um, I just tried it on several turns and turned the map grid on and off at will

Did you use some kind of modded game or scenario to test this???

	25-08-2004 04:56									#11
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No it's my first Conquests game. I just installed the game last Saturday

	25-08-2004 05:20									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus No it's my first Conquests game. I just installed the game last Saturday

Hmmm, I wonder if something is the matter with your install because I played a standard non modded game, and I quickly pulled up a save and turned the map grid on and off at will

Over several turns. Hmmmmmmmmm

	25-08-2004 06:12									#13
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How much RAM does your computer have Barinthus?

....And, (forgive me for asking) but, do you have a valid version of the game or a pirated version? I have to ask this because if you do have an illegal version, turning on and off your grid squares will eventually be the least of your problems with your game.

	25-08-2004 07:11									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Wittlich How much RAM does your computer have Barinthus? ....And, (forgive me for asking) but, do you have a valid version of the game or a pirated version? I have to ask this because if you do have an illegal version, turning on and off your grid squares will eventually be the least of your problems with your game.

indeed.

the grid function should turn on and off as you use Control - G

certainly hope you are having fun with the game regardless.

another good place to pick up tips on the functions is in the Civ III Help Forum

you may need to change the number of days in the showing threads to more than 30 days, but there is some great stuff in here

	25-08-2004 07:42									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus Ok I may be a Civ 3 newbie but I'm not a computer newbie. It's confirmed - once turned on, the map grid cannot be turned off. Also the exploring option doesn't work after a while. After completely exploring my landmass, I had some military and scout units set to exploring and after few turns they stopped exploring after running into barbarians. After taking care of those barbarians they simply refuse to explore again. I have to move them manually and 600 years later exploring feature still refuse to work.

The Ctrl-G thing not working is WEIRD, and I can't add anything more to it, I'm afraid. All you could do is email Firaxis or Breakaway Games and tell them your problem.

As for the exploring - I can't claim to have used it much, but as far as I'm aware it causes units to seek out undiscovered terrain. If you've discovered it all, I can see why the function may not work anymore.

	25-08-2004 07:47									#16
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I turn mine on and off all the time. Normally I keep it off. But I usually turn it on to make sure my city placement is correct if I'm in a cluttered area.

	25-08-2004 14:23									#17
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Exactly, Dissident. That's why I like the feature to work so I can use it to help me to determine where to plunk down my settlers yet I like the map to look pretty without those lines in between.

Paddy, oh, I am enjoying the game. I'm reading up on all Civ 3 forums now but I'm sure there will be times where I'll end up asking questions every newbie always do

Wittlich, I assure you my game is completely legit. I acquired it at Target's and I don't think they sell pirated copies .

quote: As for the exploring - I can't claim to have used it much, but as far as I'm aware it causes units to seek out undiscovered terrain. If you've discovered it all, I can see why the function may not work anymore.

MrWhereItsAt, if you're correct, that's kinda of dumb. Land tiles discovered but now surrounded by fog of war of mysterious of whatever ought be covered by this. But, again, when I think about it, once I set three of my units on exploring, they started out clustered near each other and they all were heading toward the same edge in the landmass I was on. Perhaps there was one tile still unexplored and once they got there, the feature got turned off.

I'm considering doing a reinstallation (clean) but first I want to finish my current game

	25-08-2004 17:50									#18
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What version is your C3C? Maybe one of the early versions had a bug in gridding...

	25-08-2004 18:02									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Tattila the Hun What version is your C3C? Maybe one of the early versions had a bug in gridding...

Nah, he said he had the latest patch . . . 1.22 I believe.

Here's my 2 1/2 old pennies worth. Try using Conquests without patching. See if you still have the grid problem. I play unpatched SP for now. I never, ever use grids but on the rare occasions when I press the wrong key-combination I have never had a problem turning them off again.

	25-08-2004 20:44									#20
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I have used the grid in every iteration of CivIII and PTW and C3C, with no problems.

	25-08-2004 22:27									#21
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Same here.
Don't know about exploring problems. I don't think I've used that button in 3 or 4 years. I find it handier to move them manually.

	26-08-2004 05:08									#22
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if you have to, try reinstalling the game. you can save your save games.

but you may also try starting a new game (in case the old saves are corrupted in some way).

	26-08-2004 17:02									#23
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Ctrl G doesn't work if CAPSLOCK is on. Maybe you turned it on to speed up visible AI troop movement and forgot about it?

	26-08-2004 21:17									#24
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The grid can be toggled in my game with Caps locked?

	26-08-2004 22:11									#25
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quote: Originally posted by petermarkab Ctrl G doesn't work if CAPSLOCK is on. Maybe you turned it on to speed up visible AI troop movement and forgot about it?

Slightly off topic, but I only recently discovered with CAPSLOCK on pressing the Shift key slows movement until it is released.

File under: simple things I find out about this game every day.

	26-08-2004 22:48									#26
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IIRC the capslock is not on. Actually if that's the only thing wrong with the game, I can live with grids on. I prefer to have grids on all the time as opposite to having them off all the time - now that'd be a pain.

One newbie question: I noticed that to connect a stragetic resource outside of my borders, I only have to build roads up to the resource tile then a colony on the tile (no need to build a road on the tile itself, just colonize it), that'd work. I'm not sure but it seems to me that once my borders expand and covers the tile, the colony disappears but the tile is considered to be roaded? Even although I didn't road it before colonizing it? Is this correct?

	26-08-2004 23:56									#27
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Correct. Given how this works, I almost never build colonies. When I do, I try to use a slave on it, not a native worker.

-Arrian

	27-08-2004 00:20									#28
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The case for a colony is so rare as to be dismissed. That worker is more valuable in the long run.

	27-08-2004 01:02									#29
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 The case for a colony is so rare as to be dismissed. That worker is more valuable in the long run.

There's a few situations, not many in which a colony is called for on standard random generated maps. Not nearly as many as when the AI founds them.

I've made my own mod that increases the need for colonies by disallowing cities on serveral terrign types, but so far out of half a dozen times in it, I've only founded a colony in two of the games [one in both cases.]

What I normally do with the bought workers is join them to the larger cities in my core area. They greatly increased the number of settlers I was able to build without depopulating my capital in the Shogun conquest.

	27-08-2004 01:05									#30
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 The case for a colony is so rare as to be dismissed. That worker is more valuable in the long run.

As is the unit or two to keep it from getting over run by Barbs.