26-08-2004 17:23									#1
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Players and Civs:

MWIA - Babylon - Bazazu WIA (civ name change to Assyria)
Beta - Persia - King Betarius
Wittlich - Rome - Dominar Wittlich
Theseus - Egypt - Pharoah Theseus
Kloreep - Greece - Emperor Kloreepicles
conmcb25 - Carthage - Supreme Despot connibal
Rhothaerill - Hittites - Supreme Charioteer Rhothazar

- and Carthage to change to industrial/commercial

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This is a six or seven player game to welcome the esteemed Theseus to our wonderful pbem forum.

Theseus is obviously one of the players.

I'm in.

Rhothaerill may play. He has yet to confirm.

We need three, maybe four more - and then we need to discuss parameters etc. But to be honest - I would lean towards another classics conflict. But it will be up to Theseus. After all, it is his game.

Last edited by Beta on 06-09-2004 at 02:50

	26-08-2004 17:42									#2
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ME PLEASE!!!

Gimme a piece of the These.

	26-08-2004 17:45									#3
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how about a 6 locked alliance vs. theseus game?

i'm afraid i won't be able to join. time issues but also some other reasons, i do not wish to speak about right now.
but thanks for asking !

	26-08-2004 18:07									#4
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I too will join in with this shady bunch to introduce Theseus to our PBEM world!

	26-08-2004 20:43									#5
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Thanks guys!!

Beta, what do you mean by a "classics conflict"?

Be gentle.

	26-08-2004 21:19									#6
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I'm in...as long as the game moves decently fast.

I guess I've been a bit cranky lately about games that don't move at a decent pace.

	26-08-2004 21:33									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Thanks guys!! Beta, what do you mean by a "classics conflict"? Be gentle.

Nothing too rough. Simply means that the civs are restricted to the classical civs - Rome, Greece, Babs, Egyptians, Persians, Carthage, Sumerians, Hittites - I think I have them all. They all have UU's in the ancient era, which adds an interesting twist. I am not hung up on this approach though. And before one of the more astute historians around here comes down on my head - I acknowledge that I have clearly stretched the term 'classical'.

Other game options are random civs, and possibly random settings, Or we determine the order of choice through some means, and everyone picks a civ.

Or better yet - if we have a month of pre-game time, around 50-60 spare hours, and PhD's in math, we can ask Rommel2D to come in and develop a new method of civ choice. Theseus - for this you will need to check the original Double Blind thread - not the turn thread but the original.

Sorry Rom - couldn't resist.

	26-08-2004 22:09									#8
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Does everyone who plays have to throw bananas?

	26-08-2004 23:03									#9
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Does everyone who plays have to throw bananas?

The superiority of banana thowers is well know and it is a desired trait but unfortunately not a required trait.

Lets make this a balanced classics if we do and take a hard look at the agricultural civs that would be involved.

Im only in if Rhoth is in.

Classics is Ok but we need to give it some kind of a twist.

Maybe we could go with all agricultural civs (There are 7 with all but one having an ancient age UU, Netherlands being the seventh with a early MidAges UU)

Or some other trait probably Seafaring because they have seven CIVs with that trait.)

I realize there are already PBEMs with both of those themes but that maybe a good way to balance the competition especially with such an esteemed newbie PBEMer.

Just rambling thoughts and Rhoth has to play so I can give him $hit for being a Pirate

	26-08-2004 23:05									#10
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I'll sign up if there's room.

	26-08-2004 23:08									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Beta Or better yet - if we have a month of pre-game time, around 50-60 spare hours, and PhD's in math, we can ask Rommel2D to come in and develop a new method of civ choice. Theseus - for this you will need to check the original Double Blind thread - not the turn thread but the original.

Count me out then, us dumb pollocks can only handle one of those kind of PBEMs about every three to five years. We only have so much brain power to go around you know.

Seriously that brings up another point. I will be dead set against anything that limits normal diplomacy other than no sharing maps before navigation or doing other stuff that would bastardize the game playing engine. But "smoke filled room" deals are a normal part of PBEM and should be something included in Theseus's "experience".

	27-08-2004 00:01									#12
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Ok .. we have:

Theseus

(larger than life. )

Beta
MWIA
Wittlich
Rhothaerill
conmcb25
Kloreep

That's seven and a wrap. Good line up.

Ok - Kloreep - when are you most available to play?
And Theseus, when are you most available to play?

And I agree with con on the diplo side. Normal diplo rules, which means no out of game contact until civs have communication in game - either through meeting or through granting of communications, and no map trading (incl. screen shots) until maps can be traded in game.

Now - what civs. I like cons idea of all the agricultural civs. New game title:

Theseus vs Old MacDonald eee eye eee eye oh



Any other interesting ideas for the game. I was also thinking about all the miltaristic civs - and the celts aren't allowed in.

	27-08-2004 00:09									#13
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Witt - you seem to be able to play during the day - and soon after me if Grand Passage is any indication.

I'm thinking a framework of:

Beta-Witt-con-Rhoth-MWIA

with Klo and Theseus plugged in where their times make most sense. The other option is to have you play just before or after the other west coaster - Rhoth.

And another trait idea - The Angry Gods. All civs are religious.

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	27-08-2004 00:19									#14
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One can argue this but Agriculture seems to be the stronest trait in CIV III.

Thats why I say lets all be agricultural to balance it out amongst the contestents.

If we go with all military or religious, someone is gonna get agriculture.

And what would you rather be on a normal map, agriculture and religious or religious and seafaring?

If you really have your mind set on some other theme lets just agree on a map that minimizes (Not necessarily negates) the effects of agriculture.

	27-08-2004 00:25									#15
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 Just rambling thoughts and Rhoth has to play so I can give him $hit for being a Pirate

The newly peaceful nation of Portugal denies responsibility for any act of piracy after our pirate fleet was deliberately disbanded. All the current acts of piracy are the work of others...namely the nation of Spain.

That's one thing you'll have to learn Theseus. Any PBEM that involves Beta, con and myself will inevitably end up with trash talking.

	27-08-2004 00:28									#16
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I'm best playing in the afternoon and evening, EST. BTW, I am going away tonight for the weekend, and thus won't be able to start until Monday.

I like the idea of a classics game.

	27-08-2004 00:28									#17
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Spain?????

How can you say that?


Where is your proof!

Once a pirate always a pirate I say, you scurvy dog you!!!!!!

	27-08-2004 00:29									#18
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 One can argue this but Agriculture seems to be the stronest trait in CIV III. Thats why I say lets all be agricultural to balance it out amongst the contestents. If we go with all military or religious, someone is gonna get agriculture. And what would you rather be on a normal map, agriculture and religious or religious and seafaring? If you really have your mind set on some other theme lets just agree on a map that minimizes (Not necessarily negates) the effects of agriculture.

It doesn't matter to me which theme we use. I've already done the seafaring theme (twice actually, though I'm quitting one that has had a whole bunch of fits and starts). I also did the agricultural theme early on but that one died when Dominae left for a while.

I'm up for anything though. 7 civs should be a standard map. If we do all seafaring then I suggest an archipelago map. Anything else should be continents in my opinion. Pangaea's happen too much in PBEM play.

And I would definitely prefer if we can get a map designer. I'd offer, but I'm playing the game so you probably wouldn't want me to design the map . Maybe we can get Sir Ralph to do another one for us.

	27-08-2004 00:32									#19
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Hey I just thought of a new name for this game: "Fogeys vs. Sprouts"

We have the 40 and over set in Beta, conmcb25, Theseus and Wittlich; and the 30 and younger set in myself, MWIA, and Kloreep.

	27-08-2004 00:37									#20
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There is a universal axiom:

Age and treachery will ALWAYS defeat youth and skill.

Just remember that punk

	27-08-2004 00:40									#21
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 There is a universal axiom: Age and treachery will ALWAYS defeat youth and skill. Just remember that punk

What if I have youth, skill AND treachery? You seem to like accusing me of being the pirate in Grand Passage so I must be treacherous.

That's another thing Theseus...occasionally the trash talk from other PBEMs spills into different threads. Conmcb25, Beta, Witt and I are in several PBEMs together.

Now back to our regularly scheduled introduction of Theseus.

	27-08-2004 00:46									#22
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I don't mind trash talk... I've been known to let loose a few good ones myself. :;

	27-08-2004 01:21									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus I don't mind trash talk... I've been known to let loose a few good ones myself. :;

He'll fit in just fine.

	27-08-2004 01:42									#24
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Age and Treachery go hand in hand because with age you actually get good at it..........

	27-08-2004 02:15									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Beta Witt - you seem to be able to play during the day - and soon after me if Grand Passage is any indication. I'm thinking a framework of: Beta-Witt-con-Rhoth-MWIA with Klo and Theseus plugged in where their times make most sense. The other option is to have you play just before or after the other west coaster - Rhoth. And another trait idea - The Angry Gods. All civs are religious.

Where ever you want to plug my turn order in at is fine with me Beta.

Concerning the civs traits - I'm easy. Whatever trait "theme" we want to use is fine by me also.

	27-08-2004 02:18									#26
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On a side note, I just received a second notice from Firaxis asking me to be a beta tester for Pirates! This time they assigned me a login name and password, though I have not, as of yet, been formally accepted into the Betatester pool for Pirates! I'm just wondering if anyone else has received such a message from Firaxis today?


EDIT: Ah, finally dug-up the Pirates! Thread:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=120740

In case anyone is interested in it.

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	27-08-2004 02:56									#27
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Nope, they dont take dumb pollocks like me for that kind of stuff

	27-08-2004 03:10									#28
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They also don't take people who don't remember if they ever registered Civ3 when they bought it.

	27-08-2004 03:26									#29
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Hi Witt - I was asked the last time around for C3C but declined because of RL time contsraints - but I would love to do it now for pirates. If you want to drop my name in. OTOH - if any of us was to test a game called Pirates, Rhothaerill would be the best choice. Or maybe even his new pirate sidekick, who will rename nameless but is already a prolific poster in this thread.

OK - back to the Game - "Thoughts on Theseus" ...

I'm with Rhoth - no more seafaring. If we use miltraistic or religious - what I was suggesting con is that we do not allow the civs with the other trait as agricultural to be part. Thus, we would exclude the celts for example.

One other idea I had was to do a mod where we all have the same traits. As in a Japan and Shogun thing - or maybe the Zulus - and Out of Africa theme, or Aztecs - as in New American Warlords - or Mongols as in Clash of the Khans.

But Theseus likes the classics idea - and it is HIS game. :ioi: We simply exclude the Agricultural civ. Does that give us enough - yup.

Greece Rome Carthage Egypt Babylon Persia Hittites

Seven civs, none agricultural, and none seafaring. And all with ancient era UU's. Say a standard size pangaea map. Sir Ralph to set it up to make sure no one gets an island start, or a particularly awful start.

	27-08-2004 03:28									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Beta Hi Witt - I was asked the last time around for C3C but declined because of RL time contsraints - but I would love to do it now for pirates. If you want to drop my name in. OTOH - if any of us was to test a game called Pirates, Rhothaerill would be the best choice. Or maybe even his new pirate sidekick, who will rename nameless but is already a prolific poster in this thread.

I'd LOVE to betatest Pirates. That was one of my favorite games back in the late 80's on the old Apple IIe.

quote: But Theseus likes the classics idea - and it is HIS game. :ioi: We simply exclude the Agricultural civ. Does that give us enough - yup. Greece Rome Carthage Egypt Babylon Persia Hittites Seven civs, none agricultural, and none seafaring. And all with ancient era UU's. Say a standard size pangaea map. Sir Ralph to set it up to make sure no one gets an island start, or a particularly awful start.

Sounds good to me.