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"My god, it's full of peas..."
Jul 2002
time: 21:35
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Originally posted by Lincoln
Are you suggesting, Spiffor, that there are evil people in this world? I don't think that concept is pollitically correct. What we need is for John Kerry to talk to these misguided people and show them the path of sensitivity and tolerance (after consulting France of course). |
Die, meme, die!
August 13, 2004 PERMALINK
The Bush-Cheney Doctrine Of Sensitive War
(posted Aug. 12 11:45 PM ET)
Yesterday, Dick Cheney tried to wimpify John Kerry:
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Senator Kerry has also said that if he were in charge he would fight a "more sensitive" war on terror.
America has been in too many wars for any of our wishes, but not a one of them was won by being sensitive. |
Romance novelist Lynne Cheney also joined in the mudslinging:
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I just kind of shook my head when I heard that. With all due respect to the Senator, it just sounded so foolish.
I can't imagine that al Qaeda is going to be impressed by sensitivity...
...This is kind of left-wing foolishness that certainly isn't appropriate for someone who would seek to be Commander-in-Chief. |
It goes without saying that the Cheneys were bastardizing Kerry's statement from last week:
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I believe I can fight a more effective, more thoughtful, more strategic, more proactive, more sensitive war on terror that reaches out to other nations and brings them to our side and lives up to American values in history…
…I set out a path to win the peace in Iraq and to get the terrorists, wherever they may be, before they get us. |
ABC's The Note, surely speaking for the entire snarky political press corps called Kerry's statement:
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…the silliest thing John Kerry has said about national security since his "I actually voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it" classic. |
No doubt that gave the green light for the rest of the press corps to paint Kerry the loser in this skirmish.
But if Kerry's a silly, left-wing fool, then so is Def. Sec. Don Rumsfeld, Dep. Def. Sec. Paul Wolfowitz, Gen. Richard Myers and former Asst. Def. Sec. Victoria Clarke.
We'll let the following post-9/11 quotes speak for themselves (emphasis added in all).
November 4, 2001
Secretary Rumsfeld Media Availability with Pakistani Foreign Minister
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Q: President Musharraf has repeatedly talked about an excess of hope for suspension of military operations, if they are not over, in the month of Ramadhan.
Was this issue discussed today and what are your views on this?
RUMSFELD: I'm certainly aware of the views of the president of Pakistan and indeed the views of any number of countries across the globe.
It is an important question and certainly an issue that all of us are sensitive to.
The reality is that the threats of additional terrorist acts are there.
They are credible, they are real, and they offer the prospects of still thousands of more people being killed.
Our task is to certainly be sensitive to the views in the region, but also to see that we aggressively deal with the terrorist networks that exist. |
Jan. 4, 2002
Victoria Clarke News Briefing at Foreign Press Center in Washington, DC
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THOMAS GORGUISSIAN, AL-WAFD, EGYPT: ...[Are] you doing any kind of estimate or guessing how the rest of the world is looking to this war?...
CLARKE: …are we listening to what is going on around the world? Absolutely. Absolutely.
We could not do this alone, so we are constantly working with, consulting with, talking with literally hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people around the world from over a hundred countries on how the best way to prosecute this war.
I think one of the reasons for the success thus far has been that kind of extraordinary sensitivity.
And to say in a very non-patronizing way, we appreciate whatever you can do to contribute to this effort.
And far be it for us to tell you that it's all or nothing, or you have to let us completely run the show and you have to let us say whatever we want to say about your country's contributions.
I think it's been an extraordinarily sensitive appreciation that different countries have different concerns and needs -- appreciate and value that they share with us this desire to root out terrorism and work with them in a very flexible fashion.
So we are extraordinarily sensitive to that, and I think that's what's contributed to the success thus far. |
October 31, 2001
Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Interview with Al Jazeera
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Q: …you consider it also a political decision that the consequences of continuing [military operations] through Ramadan with your troops in Pakistan, where people would be outraged or other places in the Muslim and Arab world.
Of course, you know that President Mubarak and others called for this kind of a truce.
MYERS: Right. And I would just say that we are, I think, very culturally sensitive.
We go to the leaders at the political level and at the military level, and ask for their advice.
So actions we will take I think will be consistent with that advice.
But we're not unaware and we're not insensitive. These are important issues. |
November 19, 2003
Stakeout on Capitol Hill After U.S. Senate Briefing
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Q: …can you address this question about the military utility and the risks that are inherent in going after targets, the more intensified bombing, the risk increases of collateral damage despite all the care that goes into that.
MYERS: ...The commanders on the ground are responsible for the tactics.
They are very sensitive to the balance between appropriate military action and not trying to turn the average Iraqi against the coalition.
So they work this very hard.
They have taken great steps to minimize collateral damage and I think they’ve done a superb job as I understand it. |
Nov. 9, 2001
Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz Interview with Radio Networks
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Q: ...can I pick up on the Ramadan issue? We know that you and your colleagues have said there's no question of a pause in the terrorist campaign and I understand that.
We understand you can't say what you're going to do in advance.
But are you nevertheless open to some sort of gesture? We noticed for example that you did not bomb on the first Friday of the campaign.
Is it still possible, bearing in mind enormous sensitivity in the Muslim world, that something might be possible, can you give us a hint that you might be --
WOLFOWITZ: I think we've made it clear we're going to be sensitive to the fact that Ramadan is the holiest month on the Muslim calendar and we will have that in mind.
We're not going to write a blueprint for the Taliban or al Qaeda or the people that we're after to say oh, now you not only know that mosques are safe but these other sanctuaries are sanctuaries you can operate in.
But we will be sensitive. |
(UPDATE 8/13 7:45 AM ET -- Readers are noting the omission of two key Dubya "sensitive" quotes, one from last week -- "in terms of the balance between running down intelligence and bringing people to justice obviously is -- we need to be very sensitive on that" and one from 3/01 -- "we must be sensitive about expressing our power and influence".)
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:35
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John Kerry knows sensitive wars first hand. You can count on him. Why, when he burned that innocent Vietnamese village down using his lighter, and personally slaughtered all the domestic animals and pets, John Kerry showed extreme levels of sensitivity by allowing the old men and women to first flee for their lives.
Last edited by Ned on 02-09-2004 at 19:48
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Lincoln
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quote:
Originally posted by Ned
John Kerry knows sensitive wars first hand. You can count on him. Why, when he burned that innocent Vietnamese villiage down using his lighter, and personally slaughtered all the domestic animals and pets, John Kerry showed extreme levels of sensitivity by allowing the old men and women to first flee for their lives. |
What a heart! But I think he decided not to burn it before he decided to burn it. When circumstances change a good leader changes with them...
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:35
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Originally posted by MrFun
I saw the anti-Kerry ad made by other swift boat veterans.
I still cannot phathom how they can villify a war veteran as a traitor for being brave enough to step forth, and tell the truth about how some American soldiers behaved towards the Vietnamese during the war.
Since when is being truthful dishonorable? |
Truth?
Even though he himself committed war crimes as he described -- he said that everyone was doing it with full knowledge of command at all levels.
His fellow veterans highly dispute this and say that Kerry himself was way out of control in his sensitive Ghengis Khan manner of buring villages, shooting up domestic animals and otherwise ravaging the country.
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Lincoln
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I am tired of all this mudslinging. I think it is time to put this long national nightmare behind us. Bush should give Kerry a blanket pardon for all his war crimes.
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:35
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Originally posted by MrFun
Parts of his claim were exaggerated, yes. But that does not falsify the fundamental reality that a number of American soldiers committed atrocities. |
MrFun, it would have been nice if he said that.
Do you realize the consequences of a decorated naval officer making such statements to Congress? It legitimized the worst accusations of those openly hostile to the American cause, and sanctioned the North Vietnamese treatment of US POWs as war criminals.
He, Kerry, inflicted severe damage on America, its cause in Vietnam, its military morale, its reputation in the world and in history, and to this day, he has not apologized!
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Lincoln
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Fun, in every war people commit atrocities. That is why they say war is hell. Kerry used that fact in order to run for congress and make a name for himself at the expense of the people who were being tortured and others who were innocent of committing war crimes, unlike Kerry himself. I was in Vietnam, for example, and I committed no war crimes and I know of know one who did. He used the actions of a few to slander the armed forces and now he expects us to believe that makes him a good candidate for commander and chief.
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gunkulator
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If Kerry's actions halted our involvement in Vietnam by even one day, then he is a life saver and a hero in my book. Meanwhile GWB was snorting up coke and getting DUIs, whilst enjoying a free pass on the war courtesy of his father's connections.
Bush talks the talk, but he's never had to walk the walk.
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Ogie Oglethorpe
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Marietta, GA
Dec 1999
time: 05:35
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Further there is this little bit as well:
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I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned.
I think this negates very clearly the argument of the President that we have to maintain a presence in Vietnam, to use as a negotiating block for the return of those prisoners. The setting of a date will accomplish that.
-- John Kerry, testifying before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, April 22, 1971
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Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
-- U.S. Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 45, Section 953: Private correspondence with foreign governments
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gunkulator
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Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
The flip side arguement is equally as compelling that by the nature of his actions allowed the North Vietnamese the opportunity to stay away from the negotiating table as they sensed US weakness. |
If we were "on the way out" as you say, then they have all the weakness they need to wait us out.
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Only after Hanoi B52 bombings did they return to the table. |
So more death and destruction, even in a war you admit was lost, is somehow the right path. The same thing was tried in WWII in Dresden, yet it failed to bring the Germans to the table.
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In light of the fact that we were already on the way out by the time he came on the scene I don't see his efforts in anyway hastening our departure. |
Yet we stayed until 1975. Maybe we would have been there even longer if not for actions of Kerry and many many others.
At least the guy had convictions and the courage to act on them. What was GWB doing during this time of great American crisis? What were his convictions about the war and how did he choose to act on them?
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02-09-2004 11:44
I wonder why Kerry doesn't talk about that much anymore?
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