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joncha is offline joncha
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Well, we know the other killer is a cardinal, but which one? I don't know enough about Renaissance religious figures to say who the other clues point to....

Skanky Burns is offline Skanky Burns
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Aug 2001
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Actually, my list of deaths were made at the start of the game and were purely random. Alas.

Kalius is offline Kalius
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The evidence most certainly suggests Jonny

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Thank goodness for random lists working in my favour for once.

Given that gjramsey is just a promoted Cardinal, then by joncha's logic only he and Kassiopeia are innocent. Intriguing.

joncha is offline joncha
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We caught Skanky, and we know that the other killer is a cardinal. So, yes, Kassiopeia and I are innocent beyond doubt.

You, on the other hand are not. I think either you've been suckered-in by Lj-lj handing me the scapegoat character, or this is part of your fiendish mafia plot.

Now we all know that the duke o' york is no sucker, so therefor you must be the mafia.

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The clues against poor Mr. Burns were too obvious. I sold him out.

Forgive me Skanky

Kassiopeia is offline Kassiopeia
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I know the feeling, Ljube

That Jonny character seems awfully suspicious.

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Nov 2001
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Kalius to add some juice to the mix

Ljube is offline Ljube
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Jonny - 2 votes
duke o' york - 1 vote
Kalius - 1 vote
joncha - 1 vote

Tuberski and Jonny still to vote.

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Since, I still think he is the mafia, duke o' york, for the tie.


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Kassiopeia is offline Kassiopeia
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What tie? It's quite obvious who Jonny'll vote for... if he'll show up in time, that is.

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I know, but it's not a sure thing he'll show up.

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Jonny - 2 votes
duke o' york - 2 votes
Kalius - 1 vote
joncha - 1 vote

Jonny didn't vote.

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Jonny is offline Jonny
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Hmm... a difficult decision...

Duke o' York

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Well I guess that's it.

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Chapter 8 - Epilogue


Pope Pius III allowed Machiavelli to try his method once more. If this time the method would prove unsuccessful, it would be Machiavelli’s turn to burn.

As the cardinals entered, Machiavelli immediately noticed Cardinal Wolsey wasn’t wearing his hat. He spoke out of course and accused the cardinal.

“I lost my hat”, Wolsey replied.
“Off course you did. You lost it in the cathedral two days ago, fatso”, Machiavelli insisted.
“Now just a moment, we need some other proof”, Cardinal Farnese demanded.

Machiavelli suggested that Woolsey’s foot be compared with the footprints in the cathedral. They went there, compared the footprints and they matched.

“All right all right, I confess”, Wolsey surrendered.
“Why did you do it?” Cesare Borgia asked.
“What do you think why? Of all people you are asking me why. For money and power of course. To be elected new pope.”

Pope Pius III crossed himself.

“And know I didn’t kill you just cause you were old and ill. I waited for your natural death. But I wouldn’t have waited too long.”

“Burn the dog”, Cardinal Giovanni de Medici concluded the discussion.

Two hours later duke o’ york was burnt at stake before the cheering crowd. Curiously, God made the rain stop shortly before the execution. And peace returned to Rome with murders becoming sporadic like they always were, now when both serial killers were finally dead.

reismark is offline reismark
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Woohoo!

Now, you mind explaining the clues? Skanky I figured out fairly easily... but Duke, I had no clue.

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Skanky:

Madonna of the stairs - early work, located in the Medici palace
Pieta - one of Michelangelo's best works
Battle of the centaurs - early relief, inspired by an Ancient Roman sarcophagus, located in the Medici palace



Duke o' York:

Butcher - Wolsey's father was a butcher, and so was he before he became priest
A cup of tea with milk - English
St. George's cathedral - English
Constant rain - English
Crimson and purple - cardinal
Piece of cardinal's robe - cardinal
Cardinal's hat - cardinal
Deep footprints - An obese person

An obese English cardinal = Cardinal Thomas Wolsey

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The picture frame duke used in his first murders was of course an attempt to frame the artists. He did this without knowing one of the artists was the other killer

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Thank God I survived.....

I had duke o' york pegged from the beginning.....

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joncha is offline joncha
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I managed to survive the whole thing as Machiavelli???

Huzzah!

Sparrowhawk is offline Sparrowhawk

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I managed to survive the whole thing as Machiavelli???

Huzzah!


Not only survived by narrowly survived more then once ...frankly I was convinced that Ljube hid you best by making you the obvious choice for mafia and therefore that you were the mafia.
(I knew it was either that or people just liked to join the Joncha docpile )

Ben Kenobi is offline Ben Kenobi
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I guessed it was a cardinal, and because I had alliances with most of them I was going to vote against the Duke should I have survived another round.

Unfortunately, the duke cut me short.

Still, nice to see everyone pile up on the mafia.

Oh, and my other suspect, chose not to pile on me so I figured Jonny could not have been mafia.

Ben Kenobi is offline Ben Kenobi
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That's why I left my clue at the end.

lamb = wool = wolsey.

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Well rah, we did pretty good, 2 of the 3 Borgias survived.



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Oh, and my other suspect, chose not to pile on me so I figured Jonny could not have been mafia.


Is this the same Jonny who choose to join the pile on me ...oh and did I mention that he was my brother

* Sparrowhawk

Kassiopeia is offline Kassiopeia
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Woot! Well played all of you, even though I voted the wrong person

Whoha is offline Whoha
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I should have said that if the pope wouldn't make me a cardinal i'd stop being a heretic.

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I told them to make gjramsey pope ahead of me, with him being weak and feeble but that gambit failed.

 
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