09-09-2004 12:36									#31
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@Jim Panse, actually, if you want to provide a really good unit, how about a good NV/VC infiltrator (essentially a spy unit to monkey with South Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Laotian cities and units, where the US, as a Democracy whose unique unit advances are prerequisites no no, would evade the worst effects {except sabotage and water poisoning in their bases}). It's an idea I've been toying with, but I need a good unit graphic. If you could cook one up, I'd appreciate it.

	09-09-2004 14:05									#32
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I would gladly assist in this matter, Sir! You got any basic ideas HOW such a chap should look like?

Btw, what about some police unit like in Andrew Living's Crises scen? An unmoveable unit with - compared to regular military stats - poor defence but the spy flag?

	09-09-2004 15:50									#33
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I think, on the actual infiltrator, he should be dressed as a Vietnamese peasant, maybe with a handcart. A police unit, too, is a good idea, and should resemble a South Vietnamese police officer, if you could draw me up that too. Thanks a lot for your help!

	09-09-2004 17:32									#34
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I need just one more unit graphic, if I could, to take advantage of a hypothetical situation in the war that could easily have happened. I need an immobile Soviet Embassy unit. You see, it would be placed in Hanoi at the start. During actual US bombings of North Vietnam, according to a source of mine, the Soviet Embassy came close to being hit on several occassions. I thought that if, while the US is bombing Hanoi, the Soviet Embassy comes up as the defender (by that mysterious algerithm that chooses who defends for a given attack) and is thus destroyed, some Soviet 'volunteers' and MiG-25's arrive in Hanoi under North Vietnamese control (I already have good graphics for those), which would be just as powerful as US General Infantry and one of their main air units. What do you think?

	09-09-2004 17:38									#35
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I think it's a good idea. Maybe the unit could be recreated after being destroyed, to represent the Soviets sending a new diplomatic mission to Hanoi. This might also discourage an American player from being overly aggressive in their bombing of the North. Are you going to include random creations of units from the Peoples' Republic of China to represent Chicom aid, like MiGs or a more heavily equipped NVA unit?

	09-09-2004 22:57									#36
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Essentially, China will be its own player in an unbreakable alliance with the North Vietnamese, with strong advice to be a computer player, and will have certain units it can build, as well as the ability to trade with the NVN. It thus might well declare war on the US and/or the South Vietnamese the first time each attacks an NVA/VC unit, but it's peripheral location and limited choice of units amounts to effectively Chicom-level of aid, just under AI control.

	09-09-2004 23:36									#37
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Ok, sounds good. One other thing I was thinking about (after watching something on the history channel, lol) was whether it would be worth giving a large number of US units paratroop capability to go some way towards acknowledging the factor that US air mobility played in Vietnam... just a thought

	09-09-2004 23:38									#38
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Oh, and could someone please also cook me up a MiG-21, preferrably in the style presented in that unit collection near the top of this thread (complete with being white with red accents with a red star hovering to the side, like the other North Vietnamese aircraft on it). I'd greatly appreciate it.

	10-09-2004 03:58									#39
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On the note of paradrops, I think that it would be the best way to reflect air mobility. Thanks for the suggestion!

	10-09-2004 11:59									#40
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@ Patine: Here is a bunch of MiG-21s, may you find what you need

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	10-09-2004 16:24									#41
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I made a US Marine unit, basically just modified from the previous 'grunt' unit. I gave him an M14 and attempted to show him wearing the marine body armour.
http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php?file=55820_Marine.GIF

Enjoy!

	10-09-2004 18:53									#42
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Thanks a lot, guys. Now all I really need is the infiltrator, police unit, and Soviet embassy (if that wouldn't be too much trouble), and I think I'll be set. If either or both of you could provide, I'd be most grateful. Thanks!

	10-09-2004 20:30									#43
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I had a go at a Vietnamese National Police unit (found a picture of their uniform at http://www.geocities.com/militarypo...nam/page16.html ). I wasn't sure whether you wanted Vietnamese Military or Civil Police. If you'd prefer Military Police, all I'll have to do is modify the helmet on the 'grunt' unit.

http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php?file=55820_VietnamesePolice.bmp

	10-09-2004 22:46									#44
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I´ll give it a try tomorrow morning CET

	10-09-2004 23:30									#45
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Thanks a lot vodkakov! Look forward to seeing what you come up with, jim panse. Thanks!

	11-09-2004 14:23									#46
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@ Patine: This is about the size what you were looking for?

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	11-09-2004 14:41									#47
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Yes, that's perfect! Thanks a lot. Now, could someone please make me a good Soviet Embassy unit graphic, so I'll be able to complete the scenario? Thanks!

	11-09-2004 15:46									#48
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Get me some pics or I shall try a generic building tonight ...

	11-09-2004 16:15									#49
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I'm afraid I have no pics available. Just try a drab Cold War Soviet embassy in an Asian city as imagery to guide you.

	11-09-2004 22:44									#50
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I think I can come up with that building tomorrow since tonight is beer drinking time

Hasta manana!

	12-09-2004 15:12									#51
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Boy, was it beer drinking night last night... Beers and vodka, always a bad mix, but not at the time!

	14-09-2004 18:15									#52
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I was feeling bored, so I updated my Studies and Observation Group (SOG) unit.
http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php?file=55820_SOG.GIF

	15-09-2004 04:31									#53
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@jim panse

Are you having trouble with that unit, or are you just incredibly busy? Please let me know, the suspense is killing me.

@vodkakov

Your Marine unit is great, save that it's a bit two narrow and thus leaves green lines on the sides when actually seen on the screen. If you could fix that problem, I'd gladly use it in place of what I'm using now. Your SOG also looks great, though I haven't tested its width yet.

	15-09-2004 04:56									#54
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@vodkakov

You're SOG is indeed too narrow, like the Marine. If you could please widen those two units a midgit, I'd be greatly obliged.

	15-09-2004 13:52									#55
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@ Patine: Sorry, some RL issues prevented me from posting earlier

Anyways, here is a Far Eastern Soviet embassy compiled out of fairline´s, curtsibling´s and nemo´s work. I hope this is what you are looking for!

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	15-09-2004 14:16									#56
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This is perfect, jim panse! Thanks a lot!

	15-09-2004 15:26									#57
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Okay, guys, here's the playtest beta, if any of you (or anyone else that cares) could do the honors. I have yet to write an appropiate prosaic readme or introductory text (there will be one in the final version), but there is sound. It does use Kit Olson's map (with some modified terrain, including a Mekong Delta and a Tonkin Lowland) and his city locations (with several added), plus a lot of graphics from this thread, but the tech tree and Wonder concepts are mine. Note that the blue dotted line linking Hanoi to the VC Encampment through Cambodia and Laos is the Ho Chi Minh Trail, which reads as railroad (I have yet to modify the labels text), though railroad can't be built. Please let me know what improvements need being done (and what's a good idea). Thanks!

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	15-09-2004 15:27									#58
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Here's the first sound file.

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	15-09-2004 15:28									#59
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And here's the second.

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	15-09-2004 15:51									#60
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Do you mean that the unit itself is too thin, and needs to be made fatter, or is it the lime green lines surrounding the box that are proving a problem?