30-08-2004 08:47									#1
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A few months ago, I released a Vietnam War scenario on this forum and received no feedback or comments. I think I do know why, however. It was quite amateurish as scenarios go, utilizing most of the tech tree and most terrain and city graphics, as well as many unit graphics, unaltered from core Civ2, and many other unit graphics were just plain inappropriate to the look of the era. I plan a complete remake with a total overhaul to be more appropriate to the actual conflict. What I need at this point is a few good unit graphics, if anyone has them or can make them. Needed graphics include:
*NVA Militia
*VC Guerillas
*ARVN Infantry
*ARVN Armor (as it was)
*Cambodian and Laotian Militia
*Thai Infantry
*Green Berets
*US Swift Boats
*Apache Helicopters
*FWA Volunteers
*NV MiG-21's
Any of these would be helpful, preferably with attached nationality shields. Great thanks to anyone who can help me.

	30-08-2004 11:50									#2
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Look in the latest page of the WW2-1979 Units thread, some chap named vodkakov made quite a comprehensive Vietnam units collection, and I'm sure you'll find most of what you're looking for in there.

Here are some Vietnam units collected by Kashanka.

And BTW, could you in future please put your graphic requests in the relevant threads (non-unit, modern, etc) instead of here? There's a purpose for them you know

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	30-08-2004 11:50									#3
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Oh, one more thing, no Apache Helicopters in Vietnam. Only Cobras and Hueys

	30-08-2004 14:59									#4
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I might have a MiG-21 kicking around -

EDIT:
Aha! - That plane is in the complilation!

	30-08-2004 19:45									#5
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I will later provide you with a Huey

	30-08-2004 23:39									#6
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Thanks a lot for all this help. I'll check out the modern units thread right away. I am looking forward to seeing that Huey (though I did think they had Apaches. My mistake). Just one more thing; does anyone have, or can make, convincing Mekong Delta terrain (you know, brownish water with rice stalks sticking up)? Thanks!

	31-08-2004 13:02									#7
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Here is the promised Huey .... *plays the Ride of the Valkyries and adds, "psycological warfare". God, how brilliant was that Apocalypse Now movie*

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	31-08-2004 16:20									#8
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My Vietnam units/edits:

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	31-08-2004 19:55									#9
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Looking good, guys!

	31-08-2004 22:48									#10
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Thanks a lot for the Huey and others. Could anyone make a good river gunboat .WAV file (with something like speedboat engine and machine gun noises mixed together)? And, if anyone could cook up my above mentioned Mekong Delta terrain graphics, I'd be greatly obliged. Thanks!

	31-08-2004 22:52									#11
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I will do the gunboat sound, tomorrow (I am tired)

	31-08-2004 23:44									#12
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I'll give the rice paddy terrain a go - Gimme a day or two.

I have chaotic tech tree to whip into shape first!

	01-09-2004 07:42									#13
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Thanks a lot guys! Look forward to seeing them!

	01-09-2004 13:22									#14
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My sound ripper isn't working, so I can't make the PBR sound, sorry

	01-09-2004 13:45									#15
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I'll give the sound a shot then - I might have just the perfect wav!

	02-09-2004 03:10									#16
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Sorry I took so long to respond, but my computer's on the fritz (I had to actually format and restore it). I'll have to start on my scenario again from scratch, as well as collect the graphics library I had. If anyone has copies of old Patine scenarios whose threads have dropped of (notably my Mexican Revolution and Contemporary Middle East ones), please let me know, as I'd like copies of those. Thanks, and I appreciate everyone on this thread's support, though the scenario will be delayed.

	04-09-2004 05:19									#17
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Hey, while you're working on that terrain graphic and .WAV file, curt (at least I hope you are), could you (or anyone else who knows for that matter) what the names of the three major US Bases in South Vietnam as of '66 were. I've got most of my progress back quite quickly, so if you delayed the graphic and .WAV files on account of my bad news, please feel free to post them (if they just aren't done yet, that's fine). Thanks a lot!

	05-09-2004 19:51									#18
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Sorry to hear about the computer, dude!

I hope this Motorboat wav is any use?

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	06-09-2004 16:30									#19
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quote: Originally posted by typhoon Look in the latest page of the WW2-1979 Units thread, some chap named vodkakov made quite a comprehensive Vietnam units collection, and I'm sure you'll find most of what you're looking for in there

Thanks for the mention To save you looking for them, here're my US Vietnam Units:
From left to right:
Top Row: 1st AirCav with M14; 1st AirCav with M16; 1st AirCav with M60; USMC with M14; USMC with M16; USMC with M60; US Army with M14; US Army with M16; US Army with M60
Bottom Row: Green Beret; Studies and Observation Group (SOG); Marine Force Recon; Ranger; Airbourne; 1st AirCav Commander; USMC Commander; US Army Commander; General Westmoreland
http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php?file=55820_usunitsvietnam.bmp
...and the modified SOG shield:
http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php?file=55820_sog.bmp
Can't wait to see a new Vietnam scenario

	06-09-2004 19:21									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Patine Hey, while you're working on that terrain graphic and .WAV file, curt (at least I hope you are), could you (or anyone else who knows for that matter) what the names of the three major US Bases in South Vietnam as of '66 were. I've got most of my progress back quite quickly, so if you delayed the graphic and .WAV files on account of my bad news, please feel free to post them (if they just aren't done yet, that's fine). Thanks a lot!

I think the best ones to include would be Danang/Da Nang (I Corps.), Cam Ranh Bay (II Corps.), Long Binh or Bien Hoa (III Corps.). This should give a fairly well distributed number of bases throughout South Vietnam for the US forces. Danang airbase was where the first conventional US troops landed in 1965. Cam Ranh Bay contained deep water berths for US supply ships. I think Bien Hoa was an airbase and Long Binh was more of a logistics centre. It depends what you want to represent. Pleiku was also pretty important as a Special Forces base. However, I think that Danang and Cam Ranh Bay should definitely be included.

A map of South Vietnam (as well as loads of very detailed information about US bases) can be found here:
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/Vi...hapter10.htm#m1

I hope I was of help.

	06-09-2004 21:20									#21
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I was playing around and made a generic US 'grunt', credit should really go to GoPostal though, as I only edited his AirCav unit.
http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php?file=55820_Grunt.gif

	07-09-2004 13:21									#22
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Sorry I took so long responding, vodkakov. I just wanted to thank you for your help. I hope to make this Vietnam War scenario at least outshine my previous attempt.

	07-09-2004 14:43									#23
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I think you should use a low level of riot factor in the cosmic
section of rules.txt, and maybe also use temples as US army garrisons.

Also events that remind the player of problems back home with civil unrest, etc.

This could represent 1960's culture and fluctuating support for the war?

	07-09-2004 19:32									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Patine Sorry I took so long responding, vodkakov. I just wanted to thank you for your help. I hope to make this Vietnam War scenario at least outshine my previous attempt.

You're welcome, I'm glad to have been of service I can't wait to see the end product.

	08-09-2004 09:28									#25
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I do need one suggestion, actually. How should I penalize the US player for events-wise for capturing a North Vietnamese city in North Vietnam, given the no-fire, no-flight rule? Any suggestions?

	08-09-2004 12:06									#26
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You could use the 'kill civ' command, and an event saying they were relieved of command.

	08-09-2004 12:41									#27
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Say, do you need any other units? I think I could provide one or another unit more ...

	08-09-2004 21:24									#28
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quote: Originally posted by GoPostal You could use the 'kill civ' command, and an event saying they were relieved of command.

I like that idea. All the Vietnam scenarios that I've played never take into account that the US forces were very restricted in what they could do, like not being able to pursue VC/NVA into Cambodia and so on (well, at least for the early stages of the war, I think they later let them bomb within a few miles of the border, but the VC/NVA just moved their supply bases a little bit further into Cambodia).

	08-09-2004 22:30									#29
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A kingdom for a technical uptodate vietnam-scen!

	09-09-2004 03:16									#30
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Thanks for the idea. I'll make sure it, or something like it, is brought into the scen (especially good since I'm running the US and South Vietnam as separate players, but with an unbreakable alliance).