30-08-2004 20:38									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Ming CONSUME only our products...

I need a widget. You only make gadgets.

	30-08-2004 20:43									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious It can. How can you inform people about a homogeneous product, but you have to get some brandname recognition? Your product is the same as everyone elses, but if you play the same stupid commercial over and over, people will by your product just because they have no reason to buy the other products.

Research done on the "buying decision process" shows that there are many different factors that come into play... with advertising playing only a small role.

While advertising can help position one product over another, the final decision is made for many other additional reasons. Even with direct response advertising, the commercial only acts as a trigger for a perceived need, and it can't convince somebody to buy something they truely don't think they need.

	30-08-2004 20:44									#93
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I need a widget. You only make gadgets.

But that's ok... you really don't need a widget, because a gadget would work much better

	30-08-2004 20:45									#94
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Sorry. Only a girl in a skimpy bikini can convince me of that.

	30-08-2004 20:48									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Even with direct response advertising, the commercial only acts as a trigger for a perceived need, and it can't convince somebody to buy something they truely don't think they need.

That's not really what I'm saying. Stupid annoying advertisement can make you prefer one product over another simply because you are more familiar with it. Sure informative advertising works, but so does the other.

	30-08-2004 20:55									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious That's not really what I'm saying. Stupid annoying advertisement can make you prefer one product over another simply because you are more familiar with it.

It depends on what you consider "annoying"... Research done on annoying commericals (those that piss you off) indicates that they are counter productive to the sales cycle... and act in the opposite fashion that you suggest. Many people will not buy products from companies where they hate the advertising.

Now, if you are refering to ads with "catchy jingles" that may seem mildly annoying... yeah, it might help you remember that the product exists, but it won't make you "prefer" one product over another.

	30-08-2004 21:02									#97
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quote: There is actually one good reason to buy Wketchup. If I lived in the US I might consider it if it wasn't for the incredibly tacky label.

if it's cheaper than store-brand ketchup, maybe i'd buy it.

however, i think it's kinda stupid to be on a "buy domestic!" kick.

	30-08-2004 21:04									#98
	Tired of ads?

actually, i also think it's kinda stupid to buy products based on political allegiance. especially ones that proudly display it on their sleeve.

and wtf is up with that reagan thing? sure, i can buy reagan could have been a good guy, but wtf does he have to do with my ketchup?

	30-08-2004 21:35									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Ming It depends on what you consider "annoying"... Research done on annoying commericals (those that piss you off) indicates that they are counter productive to the sales cycle... and act in the opposite fashion that you suggest. Many people will not buy products from companies where they hate the advertising. Now, if you are refering to ads with "catchy jingles" that may seem mildly annoying... yeah, it might help you remember that the product exists, but it won't make you "prefer" one product over another.

*shakes head quickly

Everyone finds advertisement annoying. That's why people pay to avoid advertising. That's why city councils try to eliminate ugly annoying bilboards. Of course it's all annoying. A very small portion of it is informative at all, but yes it all works.

	30-08-2004 21:41									#100
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Ming in this thread

	30-08-2004 21:53									#101
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I can't remember the last time I was actually informed by a commercial.

I can

I was informed of a new product to clean your eyeglasses: instead of the usual cloth, it's an aspirin-like that makes water full of cleaning product.

That's interesting for my old eyeglasses, which are saturated in sweat, and which cannot be completely cleaned with cloth.

That's about it. I haven't been informed by advertisement other than that.

	30-08-2004 21:56									#102
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this "comparative quality disposable diapers/ women's hygene progucts test" are legit, I think... also movies appearing on competing multi-channel TVs. and I found the last one actually useful.

	30-08-2004 21:57									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Ming It depends on what you consider "annoying"... Research done on annoying commericals (those that piss you off) indicates that they are counter productive to the sales cycle... and act in the opposite fashion that you suggest. Many people will not buy products from companies where they hate the advertising.

Why do spam and telemarketing still exist then?

	30-08-2004 21:58									#104
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And Azazel, you evil pinko commie !

You still haven't replied to my ideas in the Sociel Engineering thread you are linking to

	30-08-2004 21:59									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Everyone finds advertisement annoying.

Not everybody... plus, research shows that if you are in the market for a product, you start paying attention to the advertising, and it isn't annoying. For example, when you make the decision that you need a car, you actually start paying attention to ads for cars...

quote: That's why people pay to avoid advertising.

Yes... some do. But others don't... and then you have things like the Super Bowl, where some people find the ads more interesting than the game.

quote: That's why city councils try to eliminate ugly annoying bilboards.

If that was truely the case, there would no longer be any billboards left. Yes, some limit them, and set rules regarding the ammount and placement... but many embrace them since some cities make revenue from them

quote: Of course it's all annoying. A very small portion of it is informative at all

If you take a look at an average newspaper, probably 90% of the ads are informative...

And if you consider the earliest and most common form of advertising, signs in front of stores, they are indeed informative because they tell people the name of the establishment, and sometimes imply what can be purchased.

	30-08-2004 22:03									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor And Azazel, you evil pinko commie ! You still haven't replied to my ideas in the Sociel Engineering thread you are linking to

Reply to what? you haven't contributed anything worthwhile to the thread.


J/k, I'll take a look.

	30-08-2004 22:19									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: That makes him a bit of an idiot That's it! Me and my fellow Nebraskans have had it with your insults! From now on, we will be boycotting all Canadian philosophy courses! Take that!

Ouch! Aggie, I think you just got pwned

	30-08-2004 22:21									#108
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I must side with the Runza. Canada has nothing on a Runza.

	30-08-2004 22:22									#109
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara BUY! CONSUME! OBEY!fnord

That's CONFORM, CONSUME, OBEY!

	30-08-2004 23:55									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf Anyway. Do you boycott products associated with people you don't agree with?

I boycott Eminem's albums. But that's not hard: I'm not really a rap fan.

I don't buy Nike products. Maybe that's the same thing.

	31-08-2004 00:36									#111
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I boycott more than I buy.

	31-08-2004 03:14									#112
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I know some commies who boycott Israeli products. In practice I guess it means they try to avoid putting Jaffa oranges in their shopping carts.

	31-08-2004 03:17									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf In practice I guess it means they try to avoid putting Jaffa oranges in their shopping carts.

Everyone should boycott Jaffa oranges. Florida oranges are the best in the world.

	31-08-2004 03:18									#114
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I boycott anything that I can't afford.

	31-08-2004 03:23									#115
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Boycott diamonds "Blood diamonds", anyway. Sounds like a good idea

	31-08-2004 03:24									#116
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The diamond wars are over, mostly. The conflict in Angola is still being fueled by diamonds.

	31-08-2004 03:48									#117
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That sucks. Diaamonds suck. Thas't my official position on the matter.

	31-08-2004 03:49									#118
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Diamonds are stupid. Throw chicks at them.

	31-08-2004 03:55									#119
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Why do you guys hate on diamonds so much? It's all a women wide conspiracy. It's because of them that diamonds cost so much, but if we destroyed all the diamonds they would just ask for something else, and that would probably be more expensive.

	31-08-2004 03:57									#120
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Actually, artificial Diamonds can already be produced. those are just as good as the "natural" ones. So, my guess is that the diamond's industry's days are numbered, really.