31-08-2004 00:15									#91
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Like Imran and me.

	31-08-2004 00:18									#92
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Impaler:

quote: The US became a 2 party political system very rapidly (like the 3rd 4th presidential election basicaly).

actually, this isn't true. Adams' election and Jefferson's election were hotly contested between the then vague (there was no real political organization) factions of federalists and democratic republicans. After Jefferson's victory, however, the dem. republicans dominated national politics and most local politics except in New England where the federalists remained influential up until the 1810's and the plotted New England Seccession which completely destroyed the federalist party though the dem. repubs. had won every presidential election since jefferson by great majorities.

Thus, by the Quincy Adams vs. Jackson election, you had two dem. repub. candidates running against each other with no federalists in sight. The controversy over that election (and the fact that america was a one-party system at that time would be bound to lead to some division eventually) caused Jackson and a whole arm of the dem. repubs. to shed the repub. title and become Democrats while Quincy Adams briefly wore the mantle of Jefferson's party before the formation of the Whigs.

if anything, up until the 1820's, America was a one-party system.

	31-08-2004 00:21									#93
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quote: The newest topic is that of Gays and their rights, this has in the last decade gone from an almost unspeakable topic to something near the tipping point, in a hundread years the current liberal position with be universaly accepted and people holding what is currently the "moderate" view will be the equivilant of Douglas (Lincons Democratic oponent who took the "moderate" view that slavery was bad but would naturaly go away on its own and was a states right anyway so the federal goverment shouldn't get involved).

you're trying to equate the gay rights issue with slavery? you do realize there is a major difference in magnitude, right?

similiarly, off of where chegitz was probably thinking, that is like saying that republicans today opposing affirmitive action would mean they would have been pro-slavery... there is a difference in magnitude. just because slavery was an incredible wrong that needed to be ended doesn't mean that affirmitive action should also be supported by an abolitionist, the Freed Man's Bureau aside

	31-08-2004 00:22									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Like Imran and me.

	31-08-2004 00:23									#95
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Actually, Kuci was correct.

	31-08-2004 00:24									#96
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The full phrase would have been, Like Imran and I do, not, Like Imran and me do.

	31-08-2004 00:25									#97
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"Like Imran and I do" is acceptable. But "Like Imran and I" alone is not, IIRC.

	31-08-2004 00:28									#98
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You are incorrect, goat-lover.

	31-08-2004 00:30									#99
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you're wrong, jaguar boy

	31-08-2004 00:34									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Who said anything about taxing sex? Not wanting a baby should be thought of before engaging in sex. ACK!

So you have to want a baby to have sex?

	31-08-2004 00:38									#101
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Someone has some control issue here.

	31-08-2004 00:40									#102
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No. But don't come crying to us if you don't like the results of your sex. Ya know, you don't even have the excuse that otherwise you'll die or something - sex is PURELY a luxury, it's not like you're somehow entitled to demand support from society for it.

	31-08-2004 00:47									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker No. But don't come crying to us if you don't like the results of your sex. Ya know, you don't even have the excuse that otherwise you'll die or something - sex is PURELY a luxury, it's not like you're somehow entitled to demand support from society for it.

What are you talking about? Why would I come crying to you? It has nothing to do with you. All I want is my freedom.

	31-08-2004 00:51									#104
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Sure, and I agree with that. I'm for banning abortion in the third trimester, though.

	31-08-2004 01:02									#105
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Sky is pwning you, Kid. Give up, or the Mountain Goats might make a return.


And don't give me any BS about a threadjack. You started it.

	31-08-2004 01:24									#106
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'like Imran and I' is correct for precisely the reason that 'like Imran and I do'. It is in essense a contraction.

	31-08-2004 01:25									#107
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Fear the Billy Goats Gruff and their power to dispel the trolls.

	31-08-2004 01:26									#108
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH 'like Imran and I' is correct for precisely the reason that 'like Imran and I do'. It is in essense a contraction.

I kind of knew that, but I was hoping to get a grammar debate in this thread to further destroy it.

	31-08-2004 01:31									#109
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To be pwned by Kuci

	31-08-2004 01:31									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar I kind of knew that, but I was hoping to get a grammar debate in this thread to further destroy it.

My wife is swedish so, of course, she knows way more english grammar than I do. It's taken 24 years, but she has finally made me understand that one point of grammar.

	31-08-2004 01:32									#111
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It's not that hard. All you have to do is disagree with me

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	31-08-2004 01:55									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy To be pwned by Kuci

Kuci pwns everyone. He has never been wrong in the history of his life.

	31-08-2004 02:19									#113
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Neither have you, Jaguar

	31-08-2004 03:04									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar And don't give me any BS about a threadjack. You started it.

No. Shi did.

	31-08-2004 03:07									#115
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Enough with the spam and the stupid pictures. Stay on topic, or don't bother to post.

	31-08-2004 03:21									#116
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quote: Through 200 years of development the north and south have always been differentiated by the same key differences even as both evolve in the same directions (more north like). The South is more Rural, poorly educated, poorer in income and is more religious and bigoted. The north has consistently lead the way as the south plays catch up.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

You sure identified a bigot, but it who you thought it was.

Rich though, tell me another one...

	31-08-2004 03:23									#117
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The point is, the Republicans today are anti-federalists, when they started out as federalists. They're all about "states' rights" (except for gay marriage), when 150 years ago they were the exact opposite. If slavery existed today, they'd claim it was a state issue and not one for the Federal government to interfer with.

	31-08-2004 03:24									#118
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The Dems seem to be the one's promoting States Rights these days che. Republicans are the ones defending Federal power or pushing to expand it. So I don't really know where this is coming from.

	31-08-2004 03:25									#119
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Only for gay marriage. Both parties at the Federal level oppose medical marijuana. And the gay marriage thing is only to nationalize gay marriage through the "full faith and credit clause."

	31-08-2004 03:34									#120
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Only for gay marriage. Both parties at the Federal level oppose medical marijuana.

I call bullshit che. Both on the issue of assisted suicide in Oregon and medicinal marijuanna in California.