30-08-2004 19:46									#1
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Or would would they say it's a state's rights issue?

Would today's Republican Party start the Civil War to keep the Union together?

The oroginal GOP was a party that argued for more power to the Federal government and less power to the states. The Democrats and Republicans switched positions somewhere along the way. What happened?

	30-08-2004 19:49									#2
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The switch occured with Wilson I believe. Even though he still tried to carry the Southern Democrats. He made it easy for the weakened Republicans to pick them up.

	30-08-2004 19:50									#3
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quote: Would Today's Republican Party Oppose Slavery?

Would today's Democratic Party Oppose Slavery?

	30-08-2004 19:51									#4
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I should think so. Today they oppose Abortion, so the Republican Party today opposes the country's greatest moral evil, just as it did it in it's beginning.

	30-08-2004 19:55									#5
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They oppose abortion. So they oppose freedom. How does that equation to opposing slavery?

	30-08-2004 19:56									#6
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I dunno. Have today's democrats been making a lot of noise over slavery in Sudan?

	30-08-2004 19:57									#7
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Their moral opposition to abortion is one of their few connections to the original GOP, as both then and now, the party was deeply religious.

The point, however, is on almost every other issue, the Republicans have become the Democrats, and vice versa.

	30-08-2004 19:58									#8
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What happened so I've heard was that the Democrats decided to support civil rights during the 1960s, and this caused the South to jump ship.

	30-08-2004 20:00									#9
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That's only part of it though. By the time of FDR, the Dem's were already becoming their opposite and the Republicans were opposing them on the grounds that he was trying to create big government. The Republicans began their transformation between the two Roosevelts and have only just completed it.

	30-08-2004 20:00									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious They oppose abortion. So they oppose freedom.

Nonsense.

	30-08-2004 20:07									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious They oppose abortion. So they oppose freedom. How does that equation to opposing slavery?

We oppose the freedom to murder your baby, just as we opposed the freedom to own a black person.


The Republican Party is generally ok with states rights, but on issues of great moral depravity, the GOP will support the Feds jumping in. And so today, our platform calls for a Constitutional Amendment banning abortion.

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Not that you believe in any sort of objective or universal morality, of course.

	30-08-2004 20:09									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious They oppose abortion. So they oppose freedom. How does that equation to opposing slavery?

	30-08-2004 20:16									#14
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In every age there seems to be a question of liberal vs. conservative. A conservative, typically will be more devicive, nationalistic and less inclined to civil liberties. How we view the slavery issue today is how people in the future will view, say, gay marriage, which won't be pushed under the rug. Like they say, todays liberal is tomorrows conservative... todays liberal concerns, when they are accepted into law and culture, become a matter of historical pride (the conservatives who opposed them are judged harshly by history).

Different issues however, same thought processes. Todays conservatives, if taken back in time with no memory of today to the 1850's/1860's, would in all likelihood support slavery.

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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi We oppose the freedom to murder your baby, just as we opposed the freedom to own a black person.

Yes, you care more about an unthinking, non-sentient mass of undeveloped cells than you do people who are born. I think we need a pregnancy police. Seriously!

	30-08-2004 20:19									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I think we need a pregnancy police. Seriously!

I think people need to accept the consequences of their actions and act accordingly.

	30-08-2004 20:21									#17
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I shouldn't think so. Today they support the war in Iraq, so the Republican Party today supports the country's greatest moral evil, just as it did it in it's beginning.

	30-08-2004 20:21									#18
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH I think people need to accept the consequences of their actions and act accordingly.

Yes, we shouldn't ever correct mistakes! Let's stop curing diseases... ban spellchecks! GOODBYE TO WHITE OUT!

Because condoms never break, birth contol never fails, and nobody is ever raped or the victim of incest.

	30-08-2004 20:35									#19
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Or would would they say it's a state's rights issue? Would today's Republican Party start the Civil War to keep the Union together? The oroginal GOP was a party that argued for more power to the Federal government and less power to the states. The Democrats and Republicans switched positions somewhere along the way. What happened?

No.
Yes,oil is present in southern states.
That was the National Republicans, a different party. And they argued for banks,Trade controls, a stronger military,etc, not a welfare state.

	30-08-2004 20:41									#20
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1 of 10.

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troll, troll, troll, troll..... TROLL!!!

The Democrats and Republicans have indeed switched on alot of things, but most of the issues of the past are not issues now, and most of the current issues have little to link them to the past given contest and the character of the modern world. So presented with the situation back then, the switch might not be as much as you think.

Of course representatives from both parties, especially modern democrats, would be lynched by all political, racial, moral, religious concerns for bieng the freak anticrist types.

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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi We oppose the freedom to murder your baby, just as we opposed the freedom to own a black person.

You have the right to life. That doesn't mean that I have the obligation to carry you in my belly for 9 months to keep you alive.

	30-08-2004 20:46									#23
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Are you telling me Junior was science fact?

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with most of the posters here, i doubt any of you will be carrying anything in your belly for longer than nine months unless it's a kidney stone.

that goes for you too, kid. meaning that your comments, as well as those of shi, et. al., kinda silly to listen to.

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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed with most of the posters here, i doubt any of you will be carrying anything in your belly for longer than nine months unless it's a kidney stone. that goes for you too, kid. meaning that your comments, as well as those of shi, et. al., kinda silly to listen to.

Of course I'm not going to carry anyone in my belly. The point is, if I did, it would be because I wanted to, and not because I felt obligated to. And I'll fight for that freedom for those who do have that capability.

	30-08-2004 20:54									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Yes, we shouldn't ever correct mistakes! Let's stop curing diseases... ban spellchecks! GOODBYE TO WHITE OUT! Because condoms never break, birth contol never fails, and nobody is ever raped or the victim of incest.

According to the CDC's figures there were approximately 1.31 million induced abortions in the USA during 2000. Although there is some year to year fluctuation, those numbers are not due to 'mistakes' but irresponsible behaviours.

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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH According to the CDC's figures there were approximately 1.31 million induced abortions in the USA during 2000. Although there is some year to year fluctuation, those numbers are not due to 'mistakes' but irresponsible behaviours.

Not necessarily. Speaking as one who was going through pending fatherhood with great anticpation (and ultimately loss), I have several friends (made via support) that made tough decisions to abort due to severe genetic flaws caught in screening. Their loss was excruciating.

	30-08-2004 20:57									#28
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If you don't have an obligation to take care of a helpless baby that only you can save, then I have no obligation to pay for welfare to keep someone who is not helpless alive.

Liberals have some platform issues.

	30-08-2004 21:01									#29
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if by issues you mean "problems", conservatives have issues too.

like the "every life is sacred" and then "RAH RAH RAH! GO EXECUTION!" bit.

	30-08-2004 21:04									#30
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I only see an issue for a portion of the party, being the Jesus Nazis, which I am not one of.

Life is sacred, but nobody says you can't screw it up.