30-08-2004 21:44									#1
	AU601: Aqualung71's DAR2 (Rome, vs Paddy) Remove this text

Please do NOT read this thread of you are playing the game and:

1) You are Paddy the Scot

OR

2) You are not Paddy the Scot but are playing as the Greeks

OR

3) You have not yet explored the entire map (including oceans and islands) or discovered Gunpowder


This is the thread of my DAR2 for my AU601 game - against Paddy the Scot - AU Mod, Monarch level.


This is the link to the thread for my DAR1

Go hard Paddy, old friend and foe

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	30-08-2004 21:59									#2
	640AD Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Copernicus' Observatory was completed in Rome in 590AD. We are still building Smith's and Leonardo's and have commenced a Newton's pre-build.

The Roman Emperor Aqualungius has settled on a peaceful course of development in the immediate future, since our expansion has now hit its limit and we are technologically advanced compared to all other nations on earth.

Rome will now endeavour to stretch its tech lead until it is clearly the dominant civ on earth, and then will respectfully request all other civs, including Greece, to pay homage to Roman superiority or risk annihilation.

We are however, considering embarking upon a policy of pillaging the land of any civ that attempts to keep up in research

Paddy is building Knights Templar, which we bypassed....and currently has a stronger army than us. However, this does not particularly concern us, since we have a couple of AC wandering through his territory watching what's going on, and our production capacity is substantially higher than his should we need to get a few Muskets built quickly.

Which reminds me.....we have Saltpeter, luckily

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	31-08-2004 06:09									#3
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The Carthaginian town of Leptis Magna must be pretty ripe for a flip. I did a check of the flip calc, and based on my estimate of comparative culture and assuming there are 2 defending units stationed inside, this town has a 4.5% chance of flipping each turn and 37% chance of flipping in 10 turns!

But nothing so far....I just hope culture flips was set to on

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	31-08-2004 06:24									#4
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Everybody is building Sistine, which means the game is heading towards a wonder cascade, with Leo's being the obvious target. Viroconium is still 13 turns away from snatching Leo's, so I have an anxious wait before I can start to upgrade units cheaply.

Of course, if worst comes to worst, I will have to switch it over to a Palace and wait for Newtons, which should go in either Viroconium, Rome or Pompeii since these are the highest commerce producing cities. Unfortunately, Pompeii is shield poor, though with a concerted effort towards growth would probably have the highest commerce potential - unfortunately the area is a little crowded so growth is an issue near the capital.

Obviously I won't be trading Economics to anyone at least until the other wonders are completed to avoid any cascade into Smiths. I may bypass Magellan's completely and push on towards the juicy Industrial age wonders.

A move into Democracy would be sweet at some stage (making Universal Suffrage virtually mandatory and Police Stations desirable), but difficult to achieve for the forseeable future due to the number of wonders I'll be building and the fact that I'm not going to divert to optional techs and so will have to rely on the AI researching it.

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	01-09-2004 18:08									#5
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Golden Age has ended. Paddy reports that the Babylonians are really annoying him with invasion, while he is taking the opportunity to plant some towns in their territory

He also reports that the Egyptians and Persians are going at it near his territory. All this while Rome researches at 4 turn pace and builds Universities and Musketmen to protect her borders

	01-09-2004 18:08									#6
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By the way, is anyone still reading this stuff or has AU601 died for most people now?

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	01-09-2004 20:20									#7
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I'm reading!

It seems backwards that Greece is focusing on military and Rome is doing the building in your game! Perhaps you're both compensating to counter each other's traits.

By the way, the AI tends to increase the garrison until it has enough to prevent culture flips, so Leptis Magna might not have just two defenders.

	01-09-2004 20:36									#8
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Hey, welcome back Alex!

Yeh, it does seem a bit strange doesn't it? Well, I guess it shows that I'm a bit of a pacifist builder......bear that in mind when you're preparing your armies in the Iron Civ final (yes, I know that's why you're paying careful attention here... )

Well, Leptis Magna may certainly have more than 2 defenders, but with 17 of their 21 tiles under my control, they would need a hell of a lot of defenders to get the probability down significantly. In fact according to the flip calc, they need 85 units to prevfent a flip

By the way, how many effective cities do you have in your Iron Civer game?

	01-09-2004 21:01									#9
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Brief update:

We've just discovered ToG so I've swapped the wonder builds around somewhat. The raw commerce of Rome (taking into account both commerce for the existing population and growth potential) is substantially higher than both Lutetia and Viroconium, so I have switched Rome's Smiths build over to Newton and given Smith's to Lutetia. Viroconium will keep Leonardo's with only 10 turns to go, since I'm worried about other civ's completing Leo's first.

Now almost all the other civs are building Sistine and Knights Templar....big deal

Closest civ in tech is Persia, who is still trailing Rome by Economics, Chemistry, Physics and ToG. Paddy doesn't yet have Theology or Gunpowder. I daresay my trading strategies have denied him many trade opportunities.

Now researching Magnetism (not Metallurgy, to extend the life of SoZ)

Still, having your 3 most productive cities tied up building wonders seriously restricts your ability to build adequate numbers of defenders....I hope nobody sneak attacks me

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	01-09-2004 21:02									#10
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....and here's the domestic advisor screen:

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	01-09-2004 21:22									#11
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quote: Originally posted by alexman It seems backwards that Greece is focusing on military and Rome is doing the building in your game!

Perhaps this also has something to do with the fact that I organised a world-wide military alliance against Paddy fairly early, so his surorunding AI civs are probably still annoyed or furious with him even though he has managed to make peace....and so they declare periodically, like Babylon evidently has.

This has probably meant he never had much chance to build his cheap Libraries, though he may be doing so now since I'm only 3rd in Literacy. Still, I've got a bunch of Universities being built that will be completed over the next 10 turns or so.

Strange really, since Greece has got a decent number of rivers....though I think the trick to playing Greece in this game was to build plenty of workers to fell the forests and clear the jungles, otherwise growth and production/commerce would have suffered.

	01-09-2004 23:41									#12
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I am still reading as well.

	02-09-2004 00:31									#13
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While we're chiming in, it isn't just those two, either.

	02-09-2004 05:47									#14
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Still reading here, keep up the posts.

...I don't post much, but I do lurk around and read most threads

	02-09-2004 11:19									#15
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I'm still checking in every now and then, although not on a daily basis.

	02-09-2004 17:42									#16
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still lurking, still reading

	06-09-2004 16:57									#17
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Bloody Persians!

With 1 turn to go on my Leo build, Persia completed it! And now I have to suffer a PBEM bug. The turn before (780AD) I checked F7 to make sure Leo's hadn't been finished by anyone. It hadn't. However, because of the lack of PBEM's popups, in 790AD I was not advised of the completion of Leo's and given a turn to swap the build as you would in SP. Instead, I was presented with a message that Leo's was no longer available and my 580 shields invested had been automatically switched to a 200 shield University - a waste of 380 shields - around 20 turns! If given the chance I could have switched to a Palace and then moved back to JS Bach with only 1 turn to go once I finished Music Theory next turn. Now I have to wait another 20 turns to get JSB! This REALLY pisses me off!

Anyway, Newtons has been finished, while Smiths is still over 20 turns away, though no-one has discovered Economics yet. Sistines has been completed, so the wonder cascade potential has diminished.

	06-09-2004 17:57									#18
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Ok, now I've got that off my chest, I'll go back a few turns.

730AD, and 2 of Carthage's 5 available towns flipped to Rome within 2 turns. And no, neither of them were the previously mentioned Leptis Magna. They were the former Carthaginian towns of Theveste and Utica.

Here is the new Roman Empire, now much more homogenous (as of 790AD)

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	07-09-2004 13:48									#19
	Put an end to popups!

yes, that's one of the really annoying things of PBEMs. if you're not the last human player, you don't get all the neat popups and infos
and you also don't see the AI moves

it was wonderful, when andydog bit the dust and i could click through all those peace, war, builds, completion, etc. messages

but a shame about the wonder! now i'll have to start checking F7 too every single turn, together with F1, F4, and all diplomats

	09-09-2004 08:54									#20
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Sabre, hitting F7 still won't save you in my situation. As I said, I hit f& the previous turn to check, but still wasn't given the chance the following turn to switch to a Palace.

	09-09-2004 14:33									#21
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so the turn leo's was built, it switched you automatically to university? i always thought you get a turn inbetween and only in the beginning of the 2nd turn does it switch.

but then... i havn't built many wonders in non-AP PBEMs yet

	09-09-2004 20:19									#22
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That's exactly what happened. Here's an extract again from my post above:

quote: The turn before (780AD) I checked F7 to make sure Leo's hadn't been finished by anyone. It hadn't. However, because of the lack of PBEM's popups, in 790AD I was not advised of the completion of Leo's and given a turn to swap the build as you would in SP. Instead, I was presented with a message that Leo's was no longer available and my 580 shields invested had been automatically switched to a 200 shield University

	10-09-2004 01:24									#23
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That REALLY sucks. Ouch.

-Arrian, checking in occasionally

	23-09-2004 19:43									#24
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Well, I guess it's time for an update. We've just hit 1000AD, and the game is moving along pretty well for the Romans. We are at war with Babylon, though for what reason we cannot really discern. We have been very friendly towards the Greeks, and allowed them to expand without harrassment. Paddy has continued to ICS into Babylonian territory, so has plenty of tightly spaced cities.

We are way ahead in techs, having just completed Industrialisation and commenced a bunch of Factories from pre-builds. We are now only 4 techs ahead of Persia, having bitten the bullet and traded them Physics and Metallurgy for Democracy. We also revolted from Monarchy this turn, and have been informed by our wretched advisor to expect 7 long turns of Anarchy! Oh well, I hope the benefits of Democracy are worth it. The main reason to switch (besides superior research power of course) is to double our RR'ing speed. Oh, we have Coal, by the way

In 990AD the previously mentioned Leptis Magna finally flipped to us, bringing our tally of Carthaginian flips to 3 and reducing Carthage to 2 towns.

The only other things worth mentioning these last 200 years or so are shown in the following 3 screenies

770AD

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	23-09-2004 19:46									#25
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990AD:

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	23-09-2004 19:47									#26
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and also in 990AD:

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	23-09-2004 19:49									#27
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and the obligatory map at 1000AD:

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	20-10-2004 20:58									#28
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Hmmm, well what has Rome achieved in the 250 long years since our last update? Well, after deducting 7 turns of Anarchy before emerging into Democracy, we're only left with 18 turns to achieve anything

That probably explains why our score hasn't risen as dramatically as it did in the past. We are at 1110 compared to Persia's 885 and Greece's 726.....Paddy has diligently improved from 5th to 4th and is still moving through the ranks, though we are still 53% ahead in score with a reasonable power lead (though Paddy is gaining with recent conquests).

A Celtic city, Cataractonium (an early centre of research into eye disease perhaps?), flipped to Rome.....seems the world's population is so in awe of us they can't help coming over to our side. I think that makes 4 flips in total now.

On the research side we have completed Medicine, Replaceable Parts, Electricity, Scientific Method, and have just started on The Corporation. We have started ToE for a 9-turn build, which should allow us to complete both The Corporation and Steel in 4 turns each, then take AT and Electronics for free

Paddy has been badgering us for an alliance against Babylon, which we didn't really want and eventually made peace with them. Then this last turn he inexplicably offered me 400g for an alliance against them, so I accepted, not intending to even send one unit over. He has them down to their last 2 cities anyway. I think he is hoping I'll "tech" him up to Democracy! We're 11 required techs in front of Greece, and 5 in front of Persia, our nearest rival (though Xerxes has Military Tradition). He has also forgotten the "don't attack AI cities" rule, but it's a bit too late to really matter. Having said that, Greece has embarked on a pretty aggressive and impressive programme of ICS'ing over there, as you can see from the minimap

No more wonders to date......US being built now, and ToE and Hoovers will follow. Factories and Coal Plants have been built or are being built in core cities, and we even got to build the Iron Works. RR'ing is nearly complete and a few Infantry are being built for security.

Current plan is to remain peaceful and win via spaceship.....unless we don't have the resources, in which case it will be become warlike and win via spaceship.

Some of you may be wondering why Rome hasn't asserted her dominance over Greece long ago. But there you have the essential difference between SP and PBEM in my opinion. You can often just have fun playing with humans rather than conquering them....the AI isn't so thoughtful

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	21-10-2004 03:13									#29
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nice to see this is still going on. i see you're researching nationalism. why that? the draft won't be that important for you in your position and i think rubber should be reachable somewhere. and the AI will research this tech anyhow, so you could trade instead...

curious moves by paddy. 400g just like that?
maybe that's a strategy he picked up in one of his 40 other PBEMs

how long do you think you'll play this game? without war, it could get very dull.

	21-10-2004 04:47									#30
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I knew somebody would pick up on that Nationalism thing . I'm not actually researching it - as you can read from the post, I am researching Corporation. It's just that when I reloaded the last turn to take the screenshot I didn't bother to select the tech research choice after the discovery of Scientific Method and it defaulted to Nationalism. A couple of the builds are probably wrong too.

You're probably right about the no warfare option, but I've decided to keep going to a spaceship win, and see if I can do that without attacking anyone else.

On the 400g, Paddy didn't accept the offer and wanted a tech as well - I think I offered Printing Press