03-09-2004 00:19									#331
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Yeah, some pwnagers!!!

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Ok, Ming

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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe I hadn't realized Cheney as Sec Def had the opportunity to vote.

Nice dodge of an obvious pwnage of Miller.

	03-09-2004 00:28									#334
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If by pwnage you mean the whole piece was an obvious own goal re: media bias, yes.

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How many people do you think heard that exchange, as opposed to the SPITBALLS line?

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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk How many people do you think heard that exchange, as opposed to the SPITBALLS line?

"Fight with what? Spitballs!"

That was one of Zell's best one-liners!

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Yes, anyone who follows up on retarded statements by politicians is biased.

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quote: I hadn't realized Cheney as Sec Def had the opportunity to vote.

And Shrub nevers stops thinking about ways to hurt the American people.

	03-09-2004 00:57									#339
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And Kerry thinks it best not best to remove troops from Korea in light of delicate sensitive situations. Ooops... or not.

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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe If by pwnage you mean the whole piece was an obvious own goal re: media bias, yes.

So fact checking is beign partisan?

If only every person making a partisan speech had to account for their statements in the light of the truth.

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quote: And Kerry thinks it best not best to remove troops from Korea in light of delicate sensitive situations. Ooops... or not.

Own goal.

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quote: Originally posted by GePap So fact checking is beign partisan? If only every person making a partisan speech had to account for their statements in the light of the truth.

Such truths as the continued insistance that Cheney VOTED for elimination/reduction of weapons systems from the interviewers.

Either lazy or partisan interviewers take your pick.

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quote: Originally posted by Ramo quote: And Kerry thinks it best not best to remove troops from Korea in light of delicate sensitive situations. Ooops... or not. Own goal.

Yes it was he stepped right into it.

Memory of a gnat it would appear.

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It was statemed poorly. As I said, that never happens in politics. The substance of the argument is the same:

No, but he opposed some of them when he was the defense secretary, and sometimes he was overruled by the Congress because he was concerned, he was worried that the defense of the United States could be better served by some other weapons systems, not specifically those. I'm specifically referring to the B-2 and the F-14 Tomcat.

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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Such truths as the continued insistance that Cheney VOTED for elimination/reduction of weapons systems from the interviewers. Either lazy or partisan interviewers take your pick.

Yeah, go ahead and act thick, like you don't get the point being made, ie that Cheney expressed serious reservations about the usefulness of the weapon systems Zell kept fawning about and attacking Kerry for not voting for.

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It's pretty pathetic that you'd consider saying "voted against" instead of "opposed as SecDef" (when the latter phrase is a lot more cumbersome) partisan in some way.

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As disingeneous as these speakers are, the sad reality is that the Kerry campaign has been utterly flat for a whole month-the entire month of August he has been attacked by lies, slander and everything else by the right, and the replies have been weak and timid, and the repugs are doing a goood job passing along their mischaracterizations of Kerry than Kerry is of getting back on message.

If Kerry looses this election, it will be thanks to his campaigns inability to combat the crap coming from the repugs.

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quote: Originally posted by GePap If Kerry looses this election, it will be thanks to his campaigns inability to combat the crap coming from the repugs.

I think it has everything to do with the fact that his campaign staff decided to hang their whole campaign on him being a war hero instead of just talking the issues...

	03-09-2004 01:38									#349
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What issues has Bush talked about? 9/11 and 9/11, and 9/11, and 9/11

Elections are no longer about issues- people don't care about issue anymore- they say they do, but can't be arsed to do **** about anything or actually look at them.

Elections are now prepackaged commercials, and that is where the Kerry campaign has been pityfully weak- they have to slam Bush on Iraq- and say why kerry will be better. They have to slam Bush on his eocnomic record and give the reason why.

Negative ads work-negative speeches are too long and may turn off, but negative ads are very effective. The dems are also not using free media effectively.

God, what a bunch of morons are running this campaign!

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quote: Originally posted by GePap God, what a bunch of morons are running this campaign!

I would have to agree... the strategy of using your main event (the convention) solely to position your guy as a war hero was silly at best.

And yes... he should really be attacking Bush on the economy and on Iraq... but instead, it's all about him being a war hero...

I could run a better campaign....

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Why do you guys even bother with GePap? He's a virulent partisan hack, the lowest of the low, not worthy of anyone's time or effort.

I agree.

And a biased debater at best. Politically biased people are not really true Americans. Go back to Panama, GePap, where you belong.
























Oh, and uh, congratulations! You've won yourself a trophy, GePap! Yep, that's right! You've earned your own little place on Mr. Nice Guy's ignore list, right along side Asher and Q Cubed. Welcome to the club!

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MNG,

GePap's fun. Its all the give and take that makes this a lively distraction.

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I don't think any political debate this week will be useful. As far as I can tell, both sides here have been butting heads and gaining no ground no matter who made the better point, because when they did, the other side wasn't listening in the first place.

Anyways, I'm just giving the Arkansan side here. Unless something as obvious as Mr. Nice Guy attacking minorities comes along, I suggest we all wait for when it's over, unless some of us like banging our heads against walls.

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0904/170380.html

quote: Little Rock (AP) - The wife of Democratic vice presidential hopeful John Edwards (websitebio) said America's military healthcare system is not geared up to handle the fallout from war. Elizabeth Edwards was in North Little Rock Thursday to discuss the issue with a group of veterans and military dependents. Mrs. Edwards criticized the Bush administration for closing some veterans hospitals, downsizing services at others and raising the costs of services for military personnel, veterans and their families. She said Democrat John Kerry (website/newsbio) would work toward universal coverage for military families as president. Mrs. Edwards also says a Kerry administration would work more closely with U.S. allies to restore security and economic control of Iraq to Iraqis.

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quote: Originally posted by GePap Elections are no longer about issues- people don't care about issue anymore- they say they do, but can't be arsed to do **** about anything or actually look at them.

It doesn't sound like you're happy about this. Maybe you should consider not voting for politicians who contribute to this.

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quote: Originally posted by GePap What issues has Bush talked about? 9/11 and 9/11, and 9/11, and 9/11

Well, then you are in for a treat tonight. Bush's acceptance speech is expected to lay out the domestic agenda for the 2nd term. So, you'll get to hear Bush talk about something other than 9-11.

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Maybe this election is going to be different from other elections, but historically challengers have needed an 18 point advantage, on average, coming out of their own convention in order to when the election. Kerry had a three to five point advantage after his convention. Not enough.

Now, even going into the Republican convention, Bush has a small lead. Given the ferocity of the attacks on Kerry we have heard, and even before we hear Bush's speech tonight, I suspected Bush will receive a significant bounce out of this convention. Thus in order to win the election, Kerry is going to have to make up perhaps a 10 point lead by Bush.

I think they're only two possible ways for Kerry to do this. First is to decisively win the debates. And second, is to somehow have events turn very bad for Bush. One such negative event could be the economy going into a steep recession again. Greenspan has been doing everything possible to to push economy again into recession by raising interest rates. But the greatest danger for Bush is for something to go very wrong in Iraq.

Of these dangers for Bush, I think the economy remains the greatest danger because I think it may be going into recession again thanks to Greenspan and his interest rates hikes.

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18? That sounds extremely high.

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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Well, then you are in for a treat tonight. Bush's acceptance speech is expected to lay out the domestic agenda for the 2nd term. So, you'll get to hear Bush talk about something other than 9-11.

Will it be the real conservative agenda or the fake compassionate agenda?

Real conservative agenda

1) Even lower taxes for the rich.
2) Attack Iran
3) More spending on defense
4) Patriot Act 3

Fake compassionate agenda

Well who cares? It's fake.

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quote: Republicans support theocratic laws based on religious dogma.

Add me to the list of Democrats then.

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quote: Real conservative agenda 1) Even lower taxes for the rich. 2) Attack Iran 3) More spending on defense 4) Patriot Act 3

And why would Bush confide in his secret agenda to you?