31-08-2004 07:58									#31
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quote: What in god's name does allowing Michael Moore into the Republican National Convention have to do with "free speech"?

Obviously he's got a press pass. Some major publication probably sent him as their press representative. Freedom of the press is part of Free speech.

	31-08-2004 08:09									#32
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I thought the Republicans get to choose the press people allowed at the event?

	31-08-2004 08:28									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten What the hell is Michael Moore doing at the RNC?

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	31-08-2004 08:34									#34
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John McCain's speech was fantastic but Giuilani's speech was spectacular! Giuilani rocks!

	31-08-2004 08:36									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Buffett

Ted, I already cashed in on that joke.

	31-08-2004 08:45									#36
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Ya know, this all would've been easier without that bothersome 22nd amendment - just reelect Clinton

	31-08-2004 08:49									#37
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quote: I thought the Republicans get to choose the press people allowed at the event?

Yes, but can you imagine the rhetoric if the Republicans said a certain news publication was not allowed to cover the event?!

I wasn't talking about the letter of free speech, but rather the spirit of free speech.... and the PR problem it would be to ignore that spirit.

	31-08-2004 08:51									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Ya know, this all would've been easier without that bothersome 22nd amendment - just reelect Clinton

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	31-08-2004 08:51									#39
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quote: Yes, but can you imagine the rhetoric if the Republicans said a certain news publication was not allowed to cover the event?!

I don't really think anyone would blame them for not wanting Michael Moore at their convention.

	31-08-2004 08:52									#40
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It would be definetly used as support of the assertion that the Republicans cannot tolerate dissent at all. I think it'd be pretty damaging.

	31-08-2004 08:53									#41
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i agree with imran. although if he has an "unfortunate accident" it would be okay

	31-08-2004 08:53									#42
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat John McCain's speech was fantastic but Giuilani's speech was spectacular! Giuilani rocks!

I strongly agree!

Way 2 go John and Rudy!

	31-08-2004 08:54									#43
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I think leaders from both wings should discuss the possibility of "unfortunate accidents" happening simultaneously to Ann Coulter and Michael Moore.

	31-08-2004 08:55									#44
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Don't forget Michael Savage in the "unfortunate accident" category.

	31-08-2004 08:56									#45
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URGENT:

What time Bush gives his speech?

	31-08-2004 08:57									#46
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quote: It would be definetly used as support of the assertion that the Republicans cannot tolerate dissent at all. I think it'd be pretty damaging.

Definitely? I think you're overstating your case here.

Besides, the Republicans could always come up with a good excuse. The "we can't afford to feed him" line would work like a charm.

	31-08-2004 08:59									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka URGENT: What time Bush gives his speech?

Thursday night.

The RNC is a four-day event in case you're not aware.

	31-08-2004 09:00									#48
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I know. I didn't say what day, I asked what time?

and PS. I wouldn't vote for Bush or Kerry.. but McCain.. I might vote.

	31-08-2004 09:00									#49
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quote: Definitely? I think you're overstating your case here.

Of course not. You don't think the Democrats wouldn't use it as support of their assertion that the Bush Administration can't tolerate dissent? The media wouldn't make that assertion? Come on, that'd be WAAAY too good for them to pass up.

	31-08-2004 09:03									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka I know. I didn't say what day, I asked what time?

dunno, but you can surely bet he'll be last, so most likely sometime late thursday night.

if i were to take my best guess i would say around 10 or 11pm Eastern.

	31-08-2004 09:05									#51
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quote: You don't think the Democrats wouldn't use it as support of their assertion that the Bush Administration can't tolerate dissent?

No, I don't.

quote: The media wouldn't make that assertion?

No, I don't think they would.

quote: Come on, that'd be WAAAY too good for them to pass up.

So is proof that a presidential candidate repeatedly lied about his service in Vietnam, even going so far as to use made-up stories to criticize the President of the United States from the Senate floor. They didn't cover that one, though, so why should we think that they would definitely cover something as inconsequential (and altogether predictable) as the Republicans not wanting Michael Moore at their convention?

	31-08-2004 09:07									#52
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oh, btw ya'll. in case you don't know, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California will be making a BIG speech tomorrow night.

	31-08-2004 09:08									#53
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara: I know several people who were on the fence who are now voting against Bush cuz of F911.

Me too.

Some parts of the film are very speculative, but the most powerful parts are scenes of Bush just being Bush. For example, there's Bush at an opulent fundraiser where all the men are dressed in white tie (something you rarely see these days). Bush stands up and addresses the audience as "the haves and the have mores", then he says, "some call you the elite but I just call you my base".

If you walk into the film undecided, scenes like that will convince you that you don't want Bush in the White House.

As for Moore's attendence at the Republican convention... I read somewhere that he's shooting film for a new documentary. So he must've gotten in with press credentials.

	31-08-2004 09:12									#54
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i think the problem is that a lot of people wont see it becuase they hate moore. just like a lot of us dont read anne coulter **** because its insulting to our intelligence

	31-08-2004 09:13									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Don't forget Michael Savage in the "unfortunate accident" category.

The idea is to do one for one trades. Once Coulter and Moore have mysterious accidents, Hannity and Franken will follow.

	31-08-2004 09:17									#56
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jaguar, lets be real though, franken has ability to do stuff other than be a mouthpiece for ideology.

	31-08-2004 09:18									#57
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Guiliani was hot tonight!

	31-08-2004 09:18									#58
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quote: For example, there's Bush at an opulent fundraiser where all the men are dressed in white tie (something you rarely see these days). Bush stands up and addresses the audience as "the haves and the have mores", then he says, "some call you the elite but I just call you my base". If you walk into the film undecided, scenes like that will convince you that you don't want Bush in the White House.

He was taking the piss out of himself. Gore was at the same dinner and made similar self-deprecating comments. It sure is a victory for the public when their leaders can't even crack a joke without having some partisan hack twist it into a condemnation of them.

edit: Gore, at the same event...

quote: "The Al Smith Dinner represents a hallowed and important tradition, which I actually did invent."... Gore promised that he would put "Medicare in a walk-in closet," put NASA funding in a "hermetically sealed Ziploc bag" and would "always keep lettuce in the crisper."

Oh my god! Gore is clearly an insane megalomaniac! How does he think he is going to put Medicare in a closet? Thank god this nut didn't become president!

	31-08-2004 09:19									#59
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quote: No, I don't.

You are kidding, right? It's a big PR prize.

quote: No, I don't think they would.

Now you are just trolling. The media doesn't like Bush and Moore is one of them (somewhat).

	31-08-2004 09:21									#60
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 jaguar, lets be real though, franken has ability to do stuff other than be a mouthpiece for ideology.

Fair enough. Long ago, he was funny. But now he's just bitter.


I'm looking forward to seeing Arnold.