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Arrian is offline Arrian
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I see the Saddam <-> global terrorism thing has been trotted out again.

I generally liked Guiliani, and I've got respect for him, but I think 9/11 pushed him over a line I can't cross with him.

-Arrian

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Guts? Hiding behind 20,000 cops? How manly.....


At least they aren't confining the protestors to a cage like the Dems did in the friendly city of Boston...

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Guts? Hiding behind 20,000 cops? How manly.....



Are you implying that the Democrats are violent people? I thought you all were that party of sensitivity and peace and tolerance?

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Guts? Hiding behind 20,000 cops? How manly.....


At least they aren't confining the protestors to a cage like the Dems did in the friendly city of Boston...


Repubs the last bastion of free speech. Dems the violent thugocracy denying people the right to political process.

Go nazi Dems

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It's good to see Republicans exploiting 9-11. Have they no shame?

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I love you, Sava.

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I just find it ironic that they are exploiting the terrorist attack even though it happened because Bush is incompetent and ignored the warnings. I guess they are hoping the American public didn't pay attention to the 9-11 commission.

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I guess they are hoping the American public didn't pay attention to the 9-11 commission.


A safe bet, no doubt. 9/11 Commission blamed the CIA, though, anyway.

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I guess they are hoping the American public didn't pay attention to the 9-11 commission.


A safe bet, no doubt. 9/11 Commission blamed the CIA, though, anyway.
I'll give you a cookie if you can tell me who is on top of the chain of command that the CIA is a part of.

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Dick Cheney?

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Brilliant speech by Giuliani. Thanks for posting it here.

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Brilliant speech by Giuliani. Thanks for posting it here.
if he said Bush being president is good, then he's automatically a moron... guiliani that is... he can take his lisp and shov e it up his ***** ass...

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I like your new signature, Sava. I didn't know that Thomas Paine attended such a screwed up church.

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I'm looking forward to his report via USA Today, you know the opportunity they agreed to and then denied to Coulter.

Leftist totalitarian censorship.


As expected it was run without editorial interference

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The GOP doesn't reflect America
Michael Moore, Filmmaker
NEW YORK — Welcome, Republicans. You're proud Americans who love your country. In your own way, you want to make this country a better place. Whatever our differences, you should be commended for that.
But what's all this talk about New York being enemy territory? Nothing could be further from the truth. We New Yorkers love Republicans. We have a Republican mayor and governor, a death penalty and two nuclear plants within 30 miles of the city.

New York is home to Fox News Channel. The top right-wing talk shows emanate from here — Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly among them. The Wall Street Journal is based here, which means your favorite street is here. Not to mention more Fortune 500 executives than anywhere else.

You may think you're surrounded by a bunch of latte-drinking effete liberals, but the truth is, you're right where you belong, smack in the seat of corporate America and conservative media.

Let me also say I admire your resolve. You're true believers. Even though only a third of the country defines itself as "Republican," you control the White House, Congress, Supreme Court and most state governments.

You're in charge because you never back down. Your people are up before dawn figuring out which minority group shouldn't be allowed to marry today.

Our side is full of wimps who'd rather compromise than fight. Not you guys.

Hanging out around the convention, I've encountered a number of the Republican faithful who aren't delegates. They warm up to me when they don't find horns or a tail. Talking to them, I discover they're like many people who call themselves Republicans but aren't really Republicans. At least not in the radical-right way that George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John Ashcroft and Co. have defined Republicans.

I asked one man who told me he was a "proud Republican," "Do you think we need strong laws to protect our air and water?"

"Well, sure," he said. "Who doesn't?"

I asked whether women should have equal rights, including the same pay as men.

"Absolutely," he replied.

"Would you discriminate against someone because he or she is gay?"

"Um, no." The pause — I get that a lot when I ask this question — is usually because the average good-hearted person instantly thinks about a gay family member or friend.

I've often found that if I go down the list of "liberal" issues with people who say they're Republican, they are quite liberal and not in sync with the Republicans who run the country. Most don't want America to be the world's police officer and prefer peace to war. They applaud civil rights, believe all Americans should have health insurance and think assault weapons should be banned. Though they may personally oppose abortion, they usually don't think the government has the right to tell a women what to do with her body.

There's a name for these Republicans: RINOs or Republican In Name Only. They possess a liberal, open mind and don't believe in creating a worse life for anyone else.

So why do they use the same label as those who back a status quo of women earning 75 cents to every dollar a man earns, 45 million people without health coverage and a president who has two more countries left on his axis-of-evil-regime-change list?

I asked my friend on the street. He said what I hear from all RINOs: "I don't want the government taking my hard-earned money and taxing me to death. That's what the Democrats do."

Money. That's what it comes down to for the RINOs. They do work hard and have been squeezed even harder to make ends meet. They blame Democrats for wanting to take their money. Never mind that it's Republican tax cuts for the rich and billions spent on the Iraq war that have created the largest deficits in history and will put all of us in hock for years to come.

The Republican Party's leadership knows America is not only filled with RINOs, but most Americans are much more liberal than the delegates gathered in New York.

The Republicans know it. That's why this week we're seeing gay-loving Rudy Giuliani, gun-hating Michael Bloomberg and abortion-rights advocate Arnold Schwarzenegger.

As tough of a pill as it is to swallow, Republicans know that the only way to hold onto power is to pass themselves off as, well, as most Americans. It's a good show.

So have a good time, Republicans. It could be your last happy party for awhile if all the RINOs and liberal majority figure it out on Nov. 2.





A page right out of 'polysphere with the gross misrepresentation that the GOP is the party of gay hating, racist scumbags.

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Lincoln...

my church is definitely messed up

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A page right out of 'polysphere with the gross misrepresentation that the GOP is the party of gay hating, racist scumbags.
well that's a logical conclusion based upon your party leadership

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You gotta give Michael Moore credit for never halting his propaganda crusade of misinformation.

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btw I love how you righties automatically say it's propaganda... but yet... never ever offer ANYTHING in the way of facts or information to disprove ANYTHING that the man says.

in case you are wondering, that means Moore holds a stronger position than you.

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Are you implying that the Democrats are violent people? I thought you all were that party of sensitivity and peace and tolerance?



pwnd by the Lincoln. That's pretty rare to see. Good work.



The MM article shows an unusual glimmer of common sense for him. He is at least partly onto something there. But as usual, it's obvious that he has a really hard time figuring out how the minds of people who aren't on the extreme left work.

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btw I love how you righties automatically say it's propaganda... but yet... never ever offer ANYTHING in the way of facts or information to disprove ANYTHING that the man says.

in case you are wondering, that means Moore holds a stronger position than you.

If its Liberal in bias, its propaganda.

If its conservative in bias, its the gospel truth.

The term gospel is a registered trademark of the GOP, along with the terms bible, christian, crusade, and gun-toting.

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It's good to see Republicans exploiting 9-11. Have they no shame?


Did the Dems exploit 9-11 during their convention when they paid tribute to the fallen?

We should not pretend like 9-11 never happened. It did. It changed our nation. We need to pay tribute to the dead. And, we need to discusss how to move forward from that tragedy. That is not "exploiting" 9-11. It is simply acknowledging reality.

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big difference diplobushlover... the dems paid tribute... the repukes exploited it in order to support bush. I don't recall the dems saying Kerry should be prez because of 9-11.

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Sava... tone it down... if you want to discuss things... fine. But your insulting trolling will stop, or you won't be able to post for a while.

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AT LEAST HE WASN'T DRIVING!!!

Well, I guess there's a first time for anything. Even for a Kennedy, although I would've thought they tried everything there was at this point.

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A page right out of 'polysphere with the gross misrepresentation that the GOP is the party of gay hating, racist scumbags.




Compared to the bits we saw of Coulter's piece, this is Shakespeare ...


Oh, and Lincoln, honey, its not that we dems. are violent, is that we now republicans are morbidly afarid of the brown people and need the cops to keep the filthy furreners away.

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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten: He [Bush] was taking the piss out of himself. Gore was at the same dinner and made similar self-deprecating comments.


The scene conveys a message in that you see Bush attempt to make a (lame) joke, but it doesn't work because it's so sadly true.

As for the convention, I listened to part of it last night on the radio (so I didn't see any visuals). McCain's speech came off well in general, but I thought his praise of Bush was transparently self-serving (since we all know that it's just a setup for the 2008 Republican primaries).

In contrast, Giuliani's speech was just awful; and that line about seeing a 9/11 victim jump from the WTC and then turning to the police chief and saying "thank God, George Bush is our president" - it was so exploitative that I can't believe he said it.

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big difference diplobushlover... the dems paid tribute... the repukes exploited it in order to support bush. I don't recall the dems saying Kerry should be prez because of 9-11.


You are really showing your bias. The Republicans did not exploit 9-11. What they did was just as appropriate as what the Dems did. In fact, I think the Republican tribute was more appropriate than the Democrat one.

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You gotta give Michael Moore credit for never halting his propaganda crusade of misinformation.


Crusade against misinformation.

 
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