08-09-2004 07:00									#61
	Increase Your PM Length

Sent.

	08-09-2004 19:52									#62
	Support Apolyton

sent

	08-09-2004 20:27									#63
	Remove this text

sent

	09-09-2004 03:30									#64
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Sent.

	09-09-2004 05:27									#65
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

I'll have to pull out of this, very little time and frankly society takes alot of it.

	09-09-2004 05:29									#66
	Increase Your PM Length

Sorry to hear that Gamecube , but I hear where you are coming from, not quite as quick a game as most of the Forum Games (with the possible exception of Galactic Overlord I think).

Hoping that you reconsider......but any lurkers want to step in if he doesn't??

	09-09-2004 22:14									#67
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

ah how the mighty (threads) have fallen (almost to the bottom of the page).

Any suggestions from any of the players on how to proceed would be appreciated (or volunteers from the peanut gallery for that matter).

* Sparrowhawk

	09-09-2004 23:32									#68
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

mark his assets as nuked perhaps.

	10-09-2004 00:34									#69
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

post in the GO and NW threads of the opening, see if there's any response, if not, follow as Whoha suggests.

	10-09-2004 02:22									#70
	Increase the size of your Attachments

I'd say just find a replacement, or wipe him off the map, return the wonders to the pool. And of course, give me all his gold and his armies....but that is just my opinion, I could be wrong.

	10-09-2004 03:05									#71
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

wipe em, the wonders are obsolete anyway.

	10-09-2004 03:52									#72
	Tired of ads?

I'm taking over for Gamecube64. What is the deadline for orders?

EDIT: I'll send them in a couple of hours anyway.

	10-09-2004 04:10									#73
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Yeah!!

Thanks Ljube...as for the deadline it was yesterday but a couple of hours will work just fine for me! ( Just not Ljube time right? )

	10-09-2004 04:27									#74
	Put an end to popups!

Right. Now a few questions.

Smiley has the Trojan horse. Suppose I declare war. He can sabotage my war plans each turn cause he has two spies per turn and I have only one (By the way can I counter his espionage with my spy or not?)

Suppose I don't declare war because of this. Smiley continues building the wonders and achieves a cultural victory.

Suppose someone else gets this and joins forces with me against Smiley. No sweat, Smiley has stockpiled spies to counter any threat.

Trojan horse is way too powerful I think. The same was true before in Society I and II when I played.

	10-09-2004 05:54									#75
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Well, nobody bothered to answer, so I sent my orders anyway.

	10-09-2004 08:21									#76
	1000 AD Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

1000 AD
Turn #7

Stock Market slowdown, recession expected
Trading has been down recently with only 3 societies sending shipments to their neighbours. The Dudes sent their entire supply of Snowfire Gems to the Most Evil Empire. The Paragon of Empire split their collection of Vovan Oil between the Dudes, and the Most Evil Empire. Meanwhile the newly elected leader of Ljubium sent all their Jamski Hides to the Paragon of Empire.

code:

From	                Cost	Revenue	To            Revenue
Spaced (9 caravans)	144	567	Whoha     	567

Jonny (3 Caravans)      51	216	Spaced     	216
Jonny (3 Caravans)      54	240	Smiley	     240
Jonny (2 Caravans)  	112	30	Whoha	     112

Ljube (6 Caravans)       84	576	Jonny	     288

King Who? and see if your still Smiling after this!!
With many of the people of the Most Evil Empire being unaware of Whoha their despot was, they decided that a Monarch would be more appropriate to lead the Empire of Evil and when all was said and done, none other then King Whoha sat upon the throne of the Most Evil Empire.

Similarly in a land of a council was formed to lead the people and their first decision was to wipe the Smile off of their despots face by desposing him and placing of their own choosing as the new leader of their Republic of . Both the Council and the people were quick annoyed to discover that the new leader also had a habit of too much.

Land, Land everywhere, and not a spot to think!
Every Society decided that with land at a premium that their first priority had to be the construction of new cities. When all was said and done, not a city site remained for future devolopment (and many of the Societies with plans for cities were left wondering what happened to the vast empty fields that were there when they started their plans).

Many developers were rumoured to discuss plans for colonization of a new planet while some of their counterparts were said to be looking into the cost of recovering land that has been exposed to nuclear activity. Scientists explained to all of them that while their options were both possible that neither was likely to be possible in the near future.

Not so fast, this Science race is still a race
With the high demand for labourers and construction material for the new cities that were constructed, little funding was left in the Societies for Scientific Research but seizing the opportunity to get ahead of the Land of (whom many found to be revolting) the Land of Ljubium advanced their society with knowledge of Nuclear Fission. With their Republic pleased with this discover and in a spirit of goodwill towards their most distant neighbours to also share in this, they gifted this knowledge to the Paragon of Empire.

Silk Road full of Potholes
The Empire of Ljubium constructed the most economical of the available wonders, the Silk Road, only to discover that the road had been replaced by newer more efficient forms of trasportation for trade goods. When told of the White Elephant purchase, the new Ljubium leader was heard to say "It may not help our trade, but our fledgling republic could use the culture enhancement that the Silk Road will bring". Amid the public outcry and voilence that followed this gross misappropriation of public funds, the Consul intended to announce the construction of National Rifle Association, but decided that a University might be a safer form of wonderous demonstration in Ljubium (only to discover that the demonstrators promptly used this University as their site of demonstrations).

The Paragon of Empire had no such fears of Guns however and were pleased to add the National Rifle Association to their Wonders of their World (though disappointed that they could not unveil the National University Rifle Association that they had intended).

Free Military Training to the Homeless
With no room for more cities and population growth out of control, the Societies of the Dudes, the Paragon of Empire and Ljubium all put their homeless into training programs and as a result greatly expanded their Military forces.

code:

 
    
    
 
      
Society
 
      
Cities
 
      
Tech
 
      
Army
 
      
Nukes/SDI
 
      
SS Parts
 
      
Gold
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
Spaced Cowboy - Despotism
 
      
20
 
      
9
 
      
47
 
      
0/0
 
      
0
 
      
760
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
 Smiley - Republic
 
      
20
 
      
10
 
      
33
 
      
0/0
 
      
0
 
      
1337
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
Jonny - Despotism
 
      
14
 
      
11
 
      
45
 
      
0/0
 
      
0
 
      
909
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
Whoha - Monarchy
 
      
13
 
      
7
 
      
23
 
      
0/0
 
      
0
 
      
1146
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
Ljube - Republic
 
      
14
 
      
11
 
      
49
 
      
0/0
 
      
0
 
      
1689
 
    
 

Wonders of the World
The Smiles High Tower (E2)
The Cubic Colosseum (B7)
The Trojan Horse of (E3)
The Cubium Acropolis (C7)
The Silk Path of Ljubium (B9)
The of Jihad (E4)
The Mafia of Paragon of Empire (H2)
The Trans-siberian Railroad of
The NRA of the Paragon of Empire (H3)
The University of California is Ljubium (A9)

Future Techs
Cost of Tech 8 (Industrialization) is now 17 Gold
Cost of Tech 9 (Representative Government) is now 28 Gold
Cost of Tech 10 (Mass Education) is now 88 Gold
Cost of Tech 11 (Nuclear Fission) is now 214 Gold

Attachment: society 1000 ad.jpg
This has been downloaded 43 time(s).

	10-09-2004 08:31									#77
	Put an end to popups!

quote: Originally posted by Ljube-ljcvetko Right. Now a few questions. Smiley has the Trojan horse. Suppose I declare war. He can sabotage my war plans each turn cause he has two spies per turn and I have only one (By the way can I counter his espionage with my spy or not?) Suppose I don't declare war because of this. Smiley continues building the wonders and achieves a cultural victory. Suppose someone else gets this and joins forces with me against Smiley. No sweat, Smiley has stockpiled spies to counter any threat. Trojan horse is way too powerful I think. The same was true before in Society I and II when I played.

Trojan Horse has not changed since last game and if two societies send spies at each other regardless of their purpose, they cancel each other out. If a spy does get through to another society and targets espionage then the targeted society will not have successful espionage (but as you correctly illustrate with the Horse and a potential surplus of spies, it would be difficult to get this spy through unless the target were sending their spies to someone else). The confusing part is when more then 2 societies are sending spies (as will soon be happening). The spies sent at each other will still cancel each other out, and the ones who do not cross paths will be successful.

I agree that spies are a key component, and one of the ways we tried to limit this is allowing "defensive spies" this game. With a spy set to defend, it can defend any area of production against other spies. Regardless of whether or not a spy is sent against that spy, it is used up that turn.

Sorry I didn't answer your question earlier

	10-09-2004 08:35									#78
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

A question came up this game that I have not yet dealt with, but thought I would clarify...

You can use your trade revenue as part of your budget, but you cannot use your expected trade revenue from other societies (it will be stockpiled for your use next turn). I believe this is how it has been done in previous games, and how I would like to continue (while I don't mind the math of this game and have created a detailed spreadsheet to assist with it, I don't want to make it any more complicated then necessary).

	10-09-2004 09:17									#79
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

sent.

	10-09-2004 10:04									#80
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

A defensive spy blocks all spies against a certain phase, so you could make sure your war plans go through. Likewise, you can stockpile a second spy and defend both war production and invasion plans. Plus, there's also the KGB.

Perhaps next game we could tone it back down and give it an expiration tech.

	10-09-2004 12:34									#81
	Re: 1000 AD Tired of ads?

quote: Originally posted by Sparrowhawk code: Society Cities Tech Army Nukes/SDI SS Parts Gold Smiley - Republic 20 10 33 0/0 0 1337

w007! 1 @M 7H3 LEET!

sent.

	10-09-2004 14:55									#82
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by Smiley A defensive spy blocks all spies against a certain phase, so you could make sure your war plans go through.

How many spies do you have Smiley?
I have none.

Am I guaranteed one according to the rules or not?
If yes, I still stand some chance.
If no, I concede to you.

	10-09-2004 18:07									#83
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Everyone at tech 7 (espionage) or beyond at the start of their turn gets a spy every turn (and the holder of the Horse gets 2). The only way you don't get a spy is if you revolt on that turn.

	10-09-2004 18:37									#84
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Can he sabotage my spy production phase?

	10-09-2004 18:46									#85
	Get a bigger avatar today!

No, because all the phases take place at the same time. It's not like Civ in which everyone takes turns. Spies come first, and then you can use them to sabotage phases after that. I suppose you could sabotage the spy production, but you'd need a stockpiled spy, and to have sent the orders the turn before.

	10-09-2004 19:30									#86
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

sent.

	10-09-2004 21:56									#87
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Before I can send the orders, I need to know an authoritative answer (from the GM or the author) to my question: Do I get a spy or not?

If yes, I can still try something, if no, I surrender to Smiley.

	10-09-2004 23:29									#88
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

"Espionage
Once you discover Espionage (Tech Level 7) you gain one Spy every turn at the beginning of your Espionage turn. Spies are free and can be stockpiled."

You are above tech level 7, so you get a spy, thats from the first post by sparrowhawk in this thread..

	11-09-2004 06:23									#89
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Again my question was not answered, but I sent my orders anyway.

It's only a game.

	11-09-2004 06:29									#90
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Orders sent.