16-09-2004 05:14									#121
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I miscalculated my trade.

Please pay attention.

	16-09-2004 08:30									#122
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1850 AD
Turn #10

Spy Union goes on strike, cite unsafe work conditions
The Dudes tried again with their spy today, but gave it a mission of Ljubium instead of a repeat of the same mission as previous, however this had the same result as the spy of Ljubium was prepared for the very occurance and defended the Military Training Facilities at a cost of both spies lives.

War influencing trading, sanctions begun against agressive Empires

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From	                Cost	Revenue	To            Revenue
Smiley (15 caravans)	390	4950	Ljube  		4950

Spaced (11 caravans)	286	3630	Jonny     	3630

Ljube (11 Caravans)     286	3630	Jonny		3630

Jonny (15 Caravans)     390	4950	Ljube		4950

Whoha (12 Caravans)	276	2376	Spaced		3168

The Most Evil Empire (tm) joins other Fussion Powered Empires
The Most Evil Empire (tm) matched the other 2 fussion powered empires in scientific knowledge while The Dudes settled for the knowledge of Miniaturization and Space Flight.

Space Race Heats Up
Both the Paragon of Empire and the Land of continued Space Ship construction today by adding their second part. Training has begun among potential astronauts and colonizers to determine who will travel to the stars.

War Escalates in 4 Societies, Goes Nuclear between two Empires
The Dudes mounted a massive ground war today against their southern enemies, the Land of Cubium they added 409 armies to bring their total army size to 808. Then they sent 606 of these armies at Cubium, totally destroying the newly conscripted defenders (408) of Cubium and assimilating their cities into the Land of The Dudes. The Dudes meanwhile lost 32 of their attacking armies.

Meanwhile, in the Most Evil Empire (tm) the military was kept at home to defend the Empire while they launched 14 Nuclear Missiles at the cities of the Paragon of Empire. When the first of the advance scounts of the Most Evil Empire (tm) were able to enter the radioactive wasteland left behind they were surprised to find one Paragon city still standing, apparently the result of a newly built SDI shooting down one of the incoming missiles.

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Wonders of the World
The Smiles High Tower (E2)
The Cubic Colosseum (B7) of The Dudes
The Trojan Horse of (E3)
The Cubium Acropolis (C7) of The Dudes
The Silk Path to The Dudes of Ljubium (B9)
The of Jihad (E4)
The Mafia of Paragon of Empire (H2)
The Trans-siberian Railroad of (F1)
The NRA of the Paragon of Empire (H3)
The Dudes University of California in Ljubium (A9)
Nascar (F3)
KGB Dudes of Ljubium (A8)
Majestic 12 of (F2)
The Dudes Galactic Overlord of Ljubium (c9)

Future Techs
Cost of Tech 14 (The Laser) is now 604 Gold
Cost of Tech 15 (Fussion Power) is now 976 Gold

Wars
The Most Evil Empire (tm) vs. The Paragon of Empire

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Last edited by Sparrowhawk on 16-09-2004 at 08:41

	16-09-2004 08:38									#123
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A question on Nukes that may require me to edit my table...

Do Nukes kill defending armies?

I don't see anywhere in the rules that they do, yet it just seems common sense to me taht they would (the Military isn't going to have time to evacuate, and the military is definitely in all the cities so it doesn't make sense to me that all of the army would survive.

However, I am hoping that Gamecube (as a former GM but who is now just an interested participant) or Smiley, (who has a vested interest but knows what happened in previous games) will let me know what has been done in the past.

* Sparrowhawk

quote: I miscalculated my trade. Please pay attention.

While I did pay special attention to it to make sure I got it right....by these two statements doesn't it seem that you are the one who should pay attention

Just kidding Ljube and thanks for stepping in for Gamecube. Well played, though almost in a sacrificial role, as I suspect this game would be over with Smiley getting a cultural victory if you had not overmatched him in the Wonder Race.

	16-09-2004 08:59									#124
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SDI aren't expended?

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	16-09-2004 09:28									#126
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IIRC nukes did not kill defending armies in the previous game. Enough of the units get evacuated to keep operating in the militia.

	16-09-2004 10:02									#127
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Not like it makes that huge a difference, often things end up like Jonny, where armies become useless.

	16-09-2004 10:09									#128
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha SDI aren't expended?

I assume not, but again I hadn't considered this possibility.

I would think that they would continue to operate even after defending against a nuke.

Not sure about additional SDI though, can you have more then one per city? (I wouldn't think so)

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	16-09-2004 11:27									#129
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Original intention with SDI: they are orbiting satellites. Thus they are reusable (which is why they cost so much) and you can have more SDI than cities (otherwise, all someone would need to do is fire missiles equal to 2x the number of cities you have.

	16-09-2004 15:16									#130
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But that now means that Jonny's only surviving city is effectively invulnerable. Troops can't cross the nuclear wasteland to get it, and nukes can't blow it up. Can I suggest that when cities have been nuked, then that civ loses a number of their armies proportional to thew number of cities nuked over the number of total cities? Also, that if someone really wanted to finish Jonny off, then they can send armies, but that some of them will be killed by the nuclear wasteland?

	16-09-2004 15:32									#131
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Jonny will win this game. He'll construct the third spaceship part and a bunch of SDIs. Smiley will also win in the same way.

Spaced could have prevented them both had he not attacked me. To attack me once was OK, though maybe not the best move, but to attack me twice was a huge error.

	16-09-2004 18:32									#132
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	16-09-2004 19:36									#133
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Jonny's last city is nukeable; wonder cities are only safe when you have other cities.

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	16-09-2004 22:29									#134
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Duke's makes some good points that I should clarify before I get the last of this turns orders (just waiting on Jonny).

quote: Originally posted by duke o' york But that now means that Jonny's only surviving city is effectively invulnerable. Troops can't cross the nuclear wasteland to get it, and nukes can't blow it up.

Nukes can still attack a city defended by SDI, from the rules the SDI blocks one nuclear missile per turn (so if someone has one SDI and two missiles are sent, the second gets through and destroys a city).

quote: Originally posted by duke o' york Can I suggest that when cities have been nuked, then that civ loses a number of their armies proportional to thew number of cities nuked over the number of total cities? Also, that if someone really wanted to finish Jonny off, then they can send armies, but that some of them will be killed by the nuclear wasteland?

Not sure about the crossing the nuclear wasteland either, you have to be adjacent to your neighbour to go to war with them, but how do you become a neighbour with someone who has a Nuclear Wasteland in between you. I think these are good points to consider for the next game, but for this one I think we should leave it as status quo and that the wasteland cannot be crossed by armies.

Anyone object or have any other suggestions?

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	17-09-2004 09:12									#136
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Okay all orders are in but no update today as it was a crazy day for me

Once again I am sorry (but glad I am almost done GMing, it is very time consuming), I will definitely post the update Friday either late afternoon or evening.

* Sparrowhawk

	18-09-2004 09:54									#137
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1950 AD
Turn #11

Spies sent back to school, unable to complete missions
The Dudes gave up on spy activity while The Land of joined in the fun and displayed the awesome power of the Trojan Horse...by having it's spy go to a meeting with a Paragon of Empire spy, with both Spy leaving the meeting with an agreement on working together on future space projects rather then their current occupation which has been criticized worldwide

Trade Regionalized as World War Imminent

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From	                Cost	Revenue	To            Revenue
Smiley (15 caravans)	450	6750	Jonny  		6750

Spaced (13 caravans)	364	5070	Whoha     	3802

Jonny (15 Caravans)     450	6750	Smiley		6750

Whoha (15 Caravans)	420	4388	Jonny		6750

Science Race now complete all Empires offer early retirement to Scientists
The Dudes catch up with the rest of the world with the development of The Laser and Fussion Power.

Space Race Reaches Climax
The Paragon of City built the engine of their Spaceship using not only the conventional iron metal and cold hard steel that they had been using, but rather gold and platinum were used as decorative coatings of each of the parts used. The people of the Paragon of City marveled at this great creation of their land. It was said that a glow appeared on each of the faces of the residents of the city when discussing this accomplishment, a greenish glow in fact. The Land of could only look on in envy (though not so green envy) as they too put considerable resources into their spaceship, but were unable to match the sheer glory of the Paragon ship and settled for construction of a smaller, more economical engine which they feared would never have the opportunity to launch.

As the launch day approached, and with construction complete, the Paragon of City celebrated by launching 8 new SDI satellites to join their existing SDI satellite in the sky.

Launch day arrived, and the countdown was started...

10........


9......


8....


Most Evil Empire (tm) and The Dudes turn to for Military entertainment
The Most Evil Empire (tm) sent their army on a suicide mission today, attacking the much larger army of and losing 32 armies in the process. The did not lose either city or army in the battle.

The Dudes, having eliminated their southern neighbours turned their massive armies, adding an additional 576 new armies to the force and focusing the majority of their forces on the Land of . The sneak attack was decisive, and resulted in the route of all the cities bordering the lands between and The Dudes being claimed by the Dudes. Losses we heavy on both sides with the Land of losing 285 armies to The Dudes 32 armies.

Paragon of City residents look to the stars
Simulaneously with their Military assault, the Most Evil Empire (tm) sent missile after missile at the Paragon SDI Satellites, watching with growing anguish as their missiles were destroyed by the protection of the Paragon Satellites with 9 Nuclear Missiles in total being shot down from the sky.

The citizens of Paragon thought the fireworks display in the sky above was part of their celebration, and continued the countdown...........

7............

6.........

5......

4....

3..and before it could register in their minds, the unthinkable happened when an additional 2 missiles from the Most Evil Empire (tm) fell upon their remaining city, destroying not only their great golden hope of a spaceship, but the only city remaining in their empire...little remained of Wherehasitgone, the shattered remnants a chilling reminder of what was once a powerful empire.......until a Nuclear Missile arrived from The Land of and destroyed those very remnants too.....unaffected by the SDI Missiles which remained in the sky, this missile hit unerringly in the center of what was once the Paragon of City, doing little damage to anything but the pride of whatever Gods looked down upon the Paragon.

Pleased with themselves and their small spaceship, the Land of launched without countdown (fearing a similar result as had befallen their neighbours) and successfully landed their colonists on a distant planet forever leaving the torn planet behind.

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Wonders of the World
The Smiles High Tower of The Dudes(E2)
The Cubic Colosseum (B7) of The Dudes
The Dudes Trojan Horse of (E3)
The Cubium Acropolis (C7) of The Dudes
The Silk Path to The Dudes of Ljubium (B9)
The of Jihad Dudes (E4)
The Mafia of Paragon of Empire (H2)
The Trans-siberian Railroad of (F1)
The NRA of the Paragon of Empire (H3)
The Dudes University of California in Ljubium (A9)
Nascar (F3)
KGB Dudes of Ljubium (A8)
Majestic 12 of (F2)
The Dudes Galactic Overlord of Ljubium (c9)

Wars
The Most Evil Empire (tm) vs. The Land of
The Dudes vs The Land of [/QUOTE]

The End....well played all!

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	18-09-2004 10:27									#138
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Here is a compilation of the Maps, for anyone interested in seeing how the game progressed...

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	18-09-2004 18:20									#139
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Damnit Jonny, you were supposed to nuke the crap out of Smiley in retaliation...grrrr.

This counter-spy thing kind of sucks...there is no way to stop someone from building the ss.

Does make for a quicker game.

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quote: Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy This counter-spy thing kind of sucks...there is no way to stop someone from building the ss.

Agreed, not a single spy had a successful mission this game (and while defensive spies were my idea, let me be the first to agree that it was a bad idea). But what do we do differently? The previous game spies were too powerful, this game they were almost useless (Whoha for instance didn't even bother using a single spy and it didn't make a difference for him).

But as for strategy, one of the things about this game that surprized me the most is that you (Spaced) didn't declare war on Smiley on the turn that you wiped out Ljube. Had you done so and if Smiley did everything exactly the same, you could have wiped Smiley out this turn (though I think if you had declared war Smiley probably would have built more armies or something....but it would have been a lot easier for you to stop his spaceship construction.

By the time anyone declared War on (both Spaced and Whoha attacked Smiley this turn) it was too late to stop them.

Still a good game by all.

* Sparrowhawk

	18-09-2004 20:53									#141
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Damn, I forgot about declare war....Crizzleap!

	18-09-2004 20:54									#142
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I see you are having fun here. I'd subscribe but the rules are too complicated : )

	18-09-2004 21:05									#143
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You could give the next one a whirl anyway muxec, the first couple rounds are pretty simple (you start with 6 gold, so you can only do a couple things...build a city, or research a tech, or maybe try for the first of the wonders) and by the time the first couple rounds are over and it starts to get more complicated, you will have picked up on the ruleset I am sure. Whoha played his first game this time and did quite well. And the GM and other players are sure to help out if you need it.

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	19-09-2004 00:46									#144
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Victory!

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Jonny is going to hold a grudge over this isn't he

	19-09-2004 06:35									#146
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He shouldn't, while you were the one to actually take him out of the game, if you hadn't, Smiley would have.

(besides, he won last game...good that he lost this one )

	19-09-2004 07:24									#147
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quote: Originally posted by Sparrowhawk He shouldn't, while you were the one to actually take him out of the game, if you hadn't, Smiley would have. (besides, he won last game...good that he lost this one )

So Smiley fired nukes at me as well?

Just curious, how many nukes in all were fired at me in that last turn? I wonder if it could have been possible for me to win at all, if I had bought a few more SDI...

	19-09-2004 08:09									#148
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11 Nukes from Whoha (9 of which were taken out by your SDI, 2 of which destroyed your city)...after that 1 Nuke from Smiley (who had Majestic 12 which means that Nuke would have hit even if Whoha hadn't fired a single nuke).

	21-09-2004 10:06									#149
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Any volunteers to GM the next Society and start the new sign up thread?

	21-09-2004 13:01									#150
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We also need to discuss some of the rules, such as spies and nuclear wastelands.