04-09-2004 16:44									#31
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What is T&L?

My main reason for liking The Sims is the house-building part, which is supposed to be so much better in The sims 2

	04-09-2004 19:25									#32
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T&L is transform and lighting

most graphic cards have them, anything less than a GeForce 2 MX won't have T&L (if I can remember correctly).

	04-09-2004 19:35									#33
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I don't the Geforce 4 MX have it either if it's what allows the water effect in games like Morrowind ? I replaced my Geforce4 MX with a older Geforce3 Ti which seems a far better card.

	04-09-2004 19:49									#34
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Ok, so I should have no problems then... even my last card had it I suppose

	04-09-2004 20:23									#35
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gf1's have t&l too. the mx line of cards is **** as even the newest ones are worst than gf1 ddr's(which are what 3+ years older now?).

i liked the house building in the sims too but i only played the original so i got bored kinda quick. hopefully it won't be so limited.

	04-09-2004 23:15									#36
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From what it looks like, there's much more options this time... you can build windows/doors on diagonal (sp?) walls (from what I've seen on screenshots... I hope it'll stay in), and all furniture exists in different versions (by changing the color)

	05-09-2004 14:34									#37
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So what're the main differences between the sims1 and 2?

And I know it's not really an issue for most people, but can you still have same-sex relationships? I think they took it out fo the console versions -Yet I heard the original sims was the first computer game to have playable gay characters (or, bi, since that seems to be what everyone in the sims is).

Loved the original though, even thoguh it does get boring after a couple of weeks. I used an editor to decrease the number of family friens you need for a career - it's too hard to have 8 family friends at once dammit!

	05-09-2004 14:42									#38
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I'm wondering the same thing... I sure hope it's still possible to have lesbians in the game... but I'm not sure about it... if they don't include it, I hope someone mods the game to make it possible...

And about the difference between the first game and Sims 2, there's soo many things, so I'll probably forget most of them, but here's the most interesting ones:

- You can edit your sims to make them look exactly as you want them to, so if you want to have Schwarzenegger and Kylie Minogue in The game it should be possible...
- When two sims have a child, the child will enherit both the looks and behavior of both parents
- The house-building part is much more advanced
- Sims have fears and wants (for the goal-loving people)
- It's full 3D
- Sims age (and there's more 'ages')

...I could keep going, but I'll stop for now...

	05-09-2004 14:52									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio I sure hope it's still possible to have lesbians in the game......

Sig. material.

	05-09-2004 15:08									#40
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I see you still haven't stopped reading

	05-09-2004 15:21									#41
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Well I couldn't miss a comment like that.

	05-09-2004 15:40									#42
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quote: explaining why Sims2 will be better than The Sims

Not all true... that's what I hope will be in Sims 2, because it was in Sim 1

	05-09-2004 17:40									#43
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It's funnier my way.

I could change it to "explaining what key features he wants in Sims2" if you want.

	05-09-2004 17:47									#44
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	05-09-2004 17:47									#45
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still someone needs to explain me the goal of this game... why play it? okay you have your sim and you can let him go to work, arrange a date with some chick, he can go and take a ****....
and ermm... yay I'm having fun??

my brain doesn't understand the purpose of the game!

	05-09-2004 17:50									#46
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike It's funnier my way. I could change it to "explaining what key features he wants in Sims2" if you want.

I like that better

	05-09-2004 17:51									#47
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For the same reason people play Sim City or similar. The fun is in having control. The fun is in choosing your own goals. The fun is in causing houses to burn down while you laugh without having to hide from the police.

	05-09-2004 17:52									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus still someone needs to explain me the goal of this game... why play it? okay you have your sim and you can let him go to work, arrange a date with some chick, he can go and take a ****.... and ermm... yay I'm having fun?? my brain doesn't understand the purpose of the game!

The thing is, it's open ended so you can play the game you wont to... building the house is the most fun part

	05-09-2004 17:56									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus still someone needs to explain me the goal of this game... why play it? okay you have your sim and you can let him go to work, arrange a date with some chick, he can go and take a ****.... and ermm... yay I'm having fun?? my brain doesn't understand the purpose of the game!

That's very rational. Sims players like a game with no goals and no real content, because that puts them on the same level as someone that is able to achieve goals in proper games.

	05-09-2004 17:57									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio I like that better

Changed.

	05-09-2004 18:08									#51
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike That's very rational. Sims players like a game with no goals and no real content, because that puts them on the same level as someone that is able to achieve goals in proper games.

That is a rather strange statement, considering that players who play games without any competition by definition don't feel the need to compete.

	05-09-2004 18:27									#52
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Yes, they dodge competition because they are not up to it. Best to level the playing field by choosing to play a game with little content and a small skill element.

	05-09-2004 18:39									#53
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I see it more that those who does not play no-goal games are those without imagination...

	05-09-2004 19:54									#54
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You have to use your imagination to create a game where otherwise there is none.

You may as well save £35 and write a novel or something.

	05-09-2004 20:16									#55
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Yes, they dodge competition because they are not up to it. Best to level the playing field by choosing to play a game with little content and a small skill element.

...Because as we all know, the sole purpose of games is to show you can beat others by massing more units and sending them to your opponent first. Fun has no place in games, it is purely about raw aggression and domination.

	05-09-2004 20:31									#56
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Not at all.......fun is the defining characteristic of all good games. If mowing the lawn on a computer game does it for you, then by all means play that, instead of games where there are real challenges for you to overcome.

Each to his (or her ) own.

	05-09-2004 20:54									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio I see it more that those who does not play no-goal games are those without imagination...

You could rule empires, crush puny enemies or solve an interesting (and funny) puzzle like in monkey island, but instead you people watch sims cleaning their house !!

The sims is not a game, because the basic rule in a game is that there must be a challenge, a purpose to what you are doing.
In the sims there is no challenge = no game! Maybe the sims is some sort of alternative for people with no immediate access to a reality show on tv!

People with imagination play RPG btw

	05-09-2004 21:13									#58
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Not at all.......fun is the defining characteristic of all good games. If mowing the lawn on a computer game does it for you, then by all means play that, instead of games where there are real challenges for you to overcome. Each to his (or her ) own.

You are so close to understanding, I can sense it...


Games can be relaxing pass-times as well. There is not much challenge in taking a bath, yet people enjoy that. There is not much challenge in driving fast down a highway, yet people also enjoy that. While challenges can be fun, challenges != fun.

You may have had valid points if we lived in a world where you could play one and only one game ever, but fortunately we do not. People can - and do - play multiple games. Speaking of other games, where is the challenge in playing Monkey Island for instance once you have already completed it?

	05-09-2004 21:14									#59
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Trajanus >>

No challenge in The Sims? Did you actually read what you quoted from me above? Nah, didn't think so... of course there's no challenge in the Sims for those without an imagination... if you don't have any imagination to set your own goals, then I can see how it can't be challenging at all...

	05-09-2004 21:23									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns You are so close to understanding, I can sense it... Games can be relaxing pass-times as well. There is not much challenge in taking a bath, yet people enjoy that. There is not much challenge in driving fast down a highway, yet people also enjoy that. While challenges can be fun, challenges != fun. You may have had valid points if we lived in a world where you could play one and only one game ever, but fortunately we do not. People can - and do - play multiple games.

There nothing to understand. I've always said, regardless of my personal preferences, that you should play whatever games do it for you.

It's not fun for me to play the Sims, because there is nothing to the game at all. I also play games for challenge (usually MP), as well as some for more chilled relaxation (usually SP) - it's just my choice of relaxing games are also games with substance.

From posts on this before I know many feel the same way.