04-09-2004 13:33									#61
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Just googled it and when I came back you had already posted. Yikes.

I beat the leader of the free world by more than 150 points on the SAT. I'm not sure whether that's or . That's fairly scary.

But it gets worse. That score is from when I took the SAT at the age of 13.

	04-09-2004 13:41									#62
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I beat him by almost 300 points, but I don't see anything scary in that. Judging by test scores, Bush is smarter than the vast majority of the population, and raw intelligence certainly isn't the only characteristic needed to be a good leader.

Am I the only one who wonders about why Kerry's scores haven't come out, though?

	04-09-2004 13:46									#63
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Good job.

One would expect that the Presidency would end up going to one of the "best and the brightest", but none of the Presidential candidates ever seem to come close.

BTW, if Kerry got awful SATs, how did he get into Yale? (Not necessarily an argument, just a question.)

	04-09-2004 13:50									#64
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quote: One would expect that the Presidency would end up going to one of the "best and the brightest", but none of the Presidential candidates ever seem to come close.

I don't know about that. Nixon, Carter and Clinton were all extremely intelligent men. All mediocre to downright bad presidents, though...

quote: BTW, if Kerry got awful SATs, how did he get into Yale?

Same way Bush did, probably. Family connections.

	04-09-2004 13:54									#65
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I flat-out refuse to believe that Carter is an intelligent man.

	04-09-2004 13:56									#66
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Carter graduated in the top-10% of his class at the Naval Academy. That's pretty impressive.

http://www.csbsju.edu/uspp/Election/bush011401.htm

	04-09-2004 14:00									#67
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Nobody doubts Carter's intelligence. It's the personality that went along with that intelligence that was the problem.

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Bush got a 1206, 566 Verbal, 640 Math. Gore got a 1355, 625 Verbal, 730 Math. Kerry got... ? http://www.insidepolitics.org/heard/heard32300.html

I beat both of them by over 200 points.

	04-09-2004 14:03									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Bush is smarter than the vast majority of the population

Vast majority my ass. Us 4 sigmaers laugh at his pathetic IQ.

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Carter graduated in the top-10% of his class at the Naval Academy. That's pretty impressive. http://www.csbsju.edu/uspp/Election/bush011401.htm

My hatred for Jimmy Carter is semi-irrational. Don't question it.

	04-09-2004 14:04									#71
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Let's not turn this into a circle-jerk over SAT scores, shall we? I just want to know why people think Bush is dumb and Kerry is smart with no real evidence to back up that theory.

edit: Or IQ scores, for some people...

	04-09-2004 14:04									#72
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and 125 is under 2 sigma. More like above 92% of the pop, not 95% as stated in that article.

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Let's not turn this into a circle-jerk over SAT scores, shall we? I just want to know why people think Bush is dumb and Kerry is smart with no real evidence to back up that theory. edit: Or IQ scores, for some people...

I was worried about that.... although those threads are sometimes fun, I'm never old enough to have taken all the exams and pwn everyone.

	04-09-2004 14:12									#74
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I love ****ing over test scores.

	04-09-2004 14:12									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Geronimo You may need a crash course on reading comprehension. There is nothing to suggest that some or even all of those indentifying as likely voters could not also indentify as registered voters.

What? it's an abstract of their methology, not bloody poetry. If they fail to make a clear and easy to understand abstract of their methology, there might be reasons to question their ability to conduct a poll in the first place. What the hell is a likely voter, why is not all registered voters likely voters, and why is there some people that are not registered voters but likely voters or the other way around?

When I read a poll, I want straight answers to those questions.

	04-09-2004 14:22									#76
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse I love ****ing over test scores.

Me too. Kind of. I'm in that sort of mood right now.

	04-09-2004 15:24									#77
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I don't think Bush is dumb - I don't think Kerry is smart either.

Where Bush has a huge advantage over Kerry imo is he seems to be able to connect with ordinary people. He's likeable, I can see it, it can't be denied.

If I had to choose who to have a beer with, it would be Bush.

	04-09-2004 15:33									#78
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A good point from... Horse?!

	04-09-2004 16:33									#79
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believe it or not

	04-09-2004 16:44									#80
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Bush got 1200 and that's in the top 5-10%? Why does everyone talk like it's a low score?

	04-09-2004 18:16									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Sava

I'm torn between my initial reaction of when I read the article and my subsequent reaction of when I saw Sava had posted exactly what I had intended to post...

	04-09-2004 18:27									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Just googled it and when I came back you had already posted. Yikes. I beat the leader of the free world by more than 150 points on the SAT. I'm not sure whether that's or . That's fairly scary. But it gets worse. That score is from when I took the SAT at the age of 13.

Jag, from my understanding, the SAT scores from that era do not translate straight into modern era scores. Add 100 points for both Bush and Gore to get their modern equivalent. Bush: 1306, adjusted. Gore: 1455, adjusted.

I had 1395 in the same era as Bush and Gore, which is equivalent to 1495 in today's era.

BTW, what was Clinton's. Everyone acknowledges that he is (was?) quite intelligent.

	04-09-2004 18:34									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Are you completely insane? Are you completely unaware of what's going on in the world? Or are you just so delusional that you no longer have any grip on reality? Have your eyes failed you, or have you failed your eyes? Reagan won 49 states in his re-election bid. Bush would be lucky to win 39, and I wouldn't be surprised if he won by a paper-thin EC margin of less than 20 votes. To win as many states as Reagan did, he'll have to pick up states like Connecticut, California, Maryland, Delaware, and New York. And Bush is no Ronald Reagan.

I hope you read the article quoted by Drake. The last time we saw poll numbers like these, Nixon won 49 states. That too was a time of war. The Dems hated Nixon with a passion that exceeded their hatred of Bush. Trust me. They nominated a hard line appeaser who said he would crawl all the way to Hanoi for peace.

The major difference with Kerry is that he has an anti-war record that he is trying to run away from with his latest reincarnation as a hardline terror fighter. The reason he is now behind in the polls is that many people no longer buy this fresh new image because of the Swiftboat Vets and because of the Republican convention.

	04-09-2004 19:29									#84
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dislike of Bush isn't enough, just like Nixon

	04-09-2004 19:33									#85
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There's going to be lots of people not voting in this one. That's Kerry's fault and it's going to hurt him.

	04-09-2004 19:47									#86
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quote: I hope you read the article quoted by Drake. The last time we saw poll numbers like these, Nixon won 49 states.

It should also be noted that, according to Gallup, Kerry is the only candidate in history to actually lose voter support after his convention.

	04-09-2004 20:19									#87
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quote: Bush got 1200 and that's in the top 5-10%? Why does everyone talk like it's a low score?

I don't know why they would. It's a very respectable score.

	04-09-2004 20:31									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar My hatred for Jimmy Carter is semi-irrational. Don't question it.

You weren't even alive then.

	04-09-2004 20:35									#89
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Polling Report put the Time poll up. Apparently, the Bush and Kerry totals pushed leaners in the post-convention poll, but did not push leaners in the pre-convention poll (which was 46-44-5 in a 3-way race, 46-46 in a two-way race). It's a bounce, but not as big (and still bigger than in the other polls). The specific question, FWIW:

quote: "Suppose the 2004 election for president were being held today, and you had to choose between John Kerry and John Edwards, the Democrats, and George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, the Republicans. For whom would you vote?" If undecided: "Even though you haven't made up your mind yet, do you lean more toward supporting Kerry or Bush?"

And I'm still waiting for some battleground state polls.

	04-09-2004 22:26									#90
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara You weren't even alive then.

He's still alive now, and I hate him for semi-irrational reasons. I told you not to reason with me, and yet you tried!