08-09-2004 23:08									#61
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X-post.

English is a proper noun and should have a capital letter, Giancarlo. Sentences shouldn't being with a conjunction, either.

Can everybody start correcting the spelling and grammar of everyone else's posts, now? It'll be just like the SDMB!

	08-09-2004 23:08									#62
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quote: well "I" is supposed to be capitalized, and so is every first letter of each sentence you make.

good god, don't you think i know that? go tell self biased that italics should only be used when someone wants emphasis.

quote: And what the hell was this? A glaring example of poor english, run on sentences and ignorance.

actually, there aren't any run-on sentences in there. it's just a lot of grammatical phrases strung together.

where is the ignorance showcased there?

	08-09-2004 23:09									#63
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btw, I like how you're taking BustaMike's and my corrections with a grain of salt.

quote: Nowhere ........ after you edited.

yeah, i saw it too.

	08-09-2004 23:10									#64
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It's generally accepted as poor style and it's standard practice to put a comma before "but". Go tell that to people like Emily Dickinson, though.

	08-09-2004 23:12									#65
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quote: It's generally accepted as poor style and it's standard practice to put a comma before "but". Go tell that to people like Emily Dickinson, though.

don't get me started about frustrated poets. i mean, look at e e cummings and his odd capitalization and spelling.

	08-09-2004 23:18									#66
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quote: You're Right, and it's funny that someone on the right isn't in the right and resorts to equating someone who is moderate but in the right with someone who was far more Right than most people are today.

You're Right, and it's funny that [a conservative] [is wrong] and resorts to equating someone who is a moderate but [correct] with someone more [fascist] than most people are today.

the things in brackets were replaced by grammatical phrase constructions. i forget what they're technically called, but it hardly matters anyway, particularly since there aren't any run-on sentences in there.
poor english it is, though, and yet poor english has sometimes lead to lots of joviality and humor, and don't take that with a grain of salt.

	09-09-2004 01:20									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo And what the hell was this? A glaring example of poor english, run on sentences and ignorance.

Rule - the comma comes after every subject except the last one. You should have said: A glaring example of poor english, run on sentences, and ignorance.

Also, the above is a sentence fragment, as it has no verb.

	09-09-2004 01:21									#68
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet X-post. English is a proper noun and should have a capital letter, Giancarlo. Sentences shouldn't being with a conjunction, either. Can everybody start correcting the spelling and grammar of everyone else's posts, now? It'll be just like the SDMB!

Wrong again. You messed up again like qcubed!

	09-09-2004 01:31									#69
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I don't take this thread with a grain of salt.


It was shaping up to be such a nice thread...

	09-09-2004 01:36									#70
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I was always taught that comma and and should not go together. Learning by rote is bad though.

	09-09-2004 02:45									#71
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Best Fezzed thread yet.

	09-09-2004 02:49									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Tripledoc Can a state file for bankruptcy today? I know that the Danish state filed for bankruptcy sometime in the late 19th century. What would be the effect if the state went to court and declared itself bankrupt? How large is the US gold reserve?

A state, by definition, can simply forgive itself of all its debts.

That's not a very good idea, though.

	09-09-2004 02:50									#73
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Ming, isn't threadjacking this much against the rules?

	09-09-2004 03:08									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Projections. Projections. I predict I will be a billionarie in two years. I will own a thousand cars. Projections are not always right and the chances of them being wrong for the longer term is a lot greater. I don't take these with a grain of salt.

Giancarlo, you are letting a lot of people have way too much fun at your expense here.

Now, getting back to the context of all this, we saw an article that made projections that the US national debt will mushroom significantly under current spending and taxing laws and (apparently) assuming accurate demographic projections. You read the article and I quote your reply to it above. From the first part of your post it is amazingly clear that you find such projections speculative and unreliable. You then even more clearly state "Projections are not always right and the chances of them being wrong for the longer term is a lot greater.". nothing could be more clear.

but

"I don't take these with a grain of salt."

Means to any reader that you take these projections very seriously.

"I take these with a grain of salt."

Means to any reader that you do not take these projections very seriously. I still get idioms wrong and English is my first language so I really don't see why you're letting this correction get you upset. I'm always grateful when people correct my misunderstanding of an idiom even though I am a native speaker. If you don't want to admit that you made this perfectly understandable error in the use of a silly idiom then at least stop shouting that you didn't make an error. It's painful watching you unwittingly embarrass yourself in this way.

	09-09-2004 03:25									#75
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In other news, Delta announced it's cutting 7,000 jobs over the next 18 months. Yep, nothing like a 'jobless recovery'.

	09-09-2004 03:29									#76
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To be fair, the problems with the airlines aren't Bush's fault (unless you blame him for 9/11, which I don't).

	09-09-2004 03:32									#77
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the really scary thing about this deficit is that all the old deficit hawks in both parties seem to have flown the coop. Both presidential candidates are huge spenders and the fiscal responsibility streak the republican party had back in it's old contract with america days seems to have totally evaporated. It was amazing that politicians ever pulled it together to start paying down the astronomical debt and it's crushing to see how quickly all that remarkable progress has been abandoned by both parties.

	09-09-2004 03:32									#78
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I blame Bush's economic follies for further straining a slowing economy.

	09-09-2004 03:35									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Geronimo Now, getting back to the context of all this, we saw an article that made projections that the US national debt will mushroom significantly under current spending and taxing laws and (apparently) assuming accurate demographic projections. You read the article and I quote your reply to it above. From the first part of your post it is amazingly clear that you find such projections speculative and unreliable. You then even more clearly state "Projections are not always right and the chances of them being wrong for the longer term is a lot greater.". nothing could be more clear.

You are so wrong it is going to hit you rather hard that these projections are wrong. No I don't take them seriously. Like I don't take my ex-bf Robert seriously. So please stop with this nonsense. People lie and are unreliable. I know all about it.

And ****.. fine! ALRIGHT I WON'T USE IDIOMS ANYMORE.

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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs In other news, Delta announced it's cutting 7,000 jobs over the next 18 months. Yep, nothing like a 'jobless recovery'.

144,000 jobs were created in August. But hey that doesn't mean anything to your left wing mind.

	09-09-2004 03:37									#81
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Several million were lost since 2000. Sorry, no, 144,000 doesn't cut it.

	09-09-2004 03:38									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo You are so wrong it is going to hit you rather hard that these projections are wrong. No I don't take them seriously. Like I don't take my ex-bf Robert seriously. So please stop with this nonsense. People lie and are unreliable. I know all about it. And ****.. fine! ALRIGHT I WON'T USE IDIOMS ANYMORE.

Actually I agree that projections shouldn't be taken very seriously. Rather we need to examine the current data that the projections are based on.

When you say that I'm so wrong, what exactly is it that you are referring to?

	09-09-2004 03:39									#83
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs Several million were lost since 2000. Sorry, no, 144,000 doesn't cut it.

Ummm several were lost since 2000? Maybe but that is a fact with the business cycle. Companies lay people off to adjust to changing business environments. Bush did not cause this. The recession originally started in 1999 from what I have heard (when corporate profit started to plummet). 144,000 is for one month too. You love selectively choosing nonsense to fit your nonsense arguments.

	09-09-2004 03:42									#84
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Fez, you're so fun

	09-09-2004 04:00									#85
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Fez is right, here, at least partially - there was no avoiding the bubble bursting. Bush certainly hasn't helped things, though.

	09-09-2004 04:16									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Fez is right, here, at least partially - there was no avoiding the bubble bursting. Bush certainly hasn't helped things, though.

Actually there was no recession because of tax cuts. There had to be two consecutive quarters of negativity, but there was only one. The tax cuts increased growth.

	09-09-2004 04:28									#87
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I have a prediction:

In 10 years Sean Hannity will write a book blaming the Democrats for the deficit. I don't know how he will blame them (since they don't control any level of government), but he will, and millions of Americans will believe him anyway.

	09-09-2004 04:35									#88
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I've been forced to agree with both Fez and Agathon in the same thread.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I have a prediction: In 10 years Sean Hannity will write a book blaming the Democrats for the deficit. I don't know how he will blame them (since they don't control any level of government), but he will, and millions of Americans will believe him anyway.

In 10 years, people will look back at you and laugh (what a ridiculous avatar you have... nice to praise a person who rigged a recall).

	09-09-2004 04:57									#90
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In 10 years the communists will have risen from the ashes of capitalism and you will be mining salt, my friend.

As a special dispensation because you aren't really that bad I, as a revolutionary comandante, will sneak you into a camp where you will be the only man among thousands of beautiful female salt miners.