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Ogie Oglethorpe is offline Ogie Oglethorpe
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As much as the Kerry Spot has tried to keep up with this, PowerLine has been on top of this story all day long. That site just presented what ought to be the straw that breaks the camel's back:

In the August 18, 1973 memo "discovered" by 60 Minutes, Jerry Killian purportedly writes:

Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush. I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job.

But wait! Reader Amar Sarwal points out that General Staudt, who thought very highly of Lt. Bush, retired in 1972.

Okay, CBS. The ball's in your court. Explain all this. Make all of this make sense. Don't completely ignore all of this, like you just did on the CBS Evening News.




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My Word defaults can't be the same as the guy's in the link. The date comes up off line and not all the words fit on the same lines either.

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Mine comes up the same as the guy's in the link. Word 2002.

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Drake Tungsten is offline Drake Tungsten
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When's Dan Rather going to retire? He can't have much credibility left after this debacle...

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You probably default to A4 paper or something rather than 8.5" x 11"

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I am amazed that you folks are still talking about this-- aren't there fundamental issues about taxes, healthcare, folks dying in Iraq, education etc etc?


No one cares about those.

(sadly, I'm not joking )

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btw the indians were nobel, oppressed victims


Actually, they were just oppressed victims.

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The turtle.

the turtle as a hero? jeez, he was in there maybe all of fifteen-twenty minutes, was clearly a "surfer dude"... there's no mention of drugs at all in that exchange--unless it's not possible to get high off of anything other than drugs... he wasn't particularly spaced-out, just easy-going... and how the hell is that anti-american?


TMNT are also blatant anti-americanism

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Actually, they were just oppressed victims.


Actually, they were a civilization that lost. The Indians had been fighting each other for domination, and were bested when the Europeans arrived. Big deal.

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Didn't Kerry admitt pulling strings to go to Swift Boats which at the time seemed to guruntee no combat?

So it would seem Kerry oplayed the same game but cut it too close.

Not that I see anything wrong with having connections. If you can tell me you have never recieved soething in life you shouldn't have because you knew someone then your a hermit. Now if he was not qualified, ie physically or something and still got it, THEN you would have a scandal.

You know I missed a breif the other day because of traffic, which I suppose I was ordered to go to sense anything related to my job is a order. I guess I should get a dishonorable dischage.

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Actually, they were a civilization that lost. The Indians had been fighting each other for domination, and were bested when the Europeans arrived. Big deal.


How is that any different from what I said?

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Given the CYA document, it's clear the only reason Bush got an honorable discharge is due to his political connections.


It was my understanding that Bush was given permission to work on someone's campaign for Congress. That was the reason for his slacking off on NG duties.

Drake, thanks for that article. I've heard Turnipseed used many times to accuse Bush of being AWOL and never knew the reporter lied.

Bush got in over 300 hours of flying, so what if he found something else to do and was allowed by the NG? Of course political connections were involved, but they were involved when students et al got deferments. I would think serving ~2 years in the NG would satisfy most people.

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How is that any different from what I said?


There is a difference between a loser and a victim.

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Drake, thanks for that article. I've heard Turnipseed used many times to accuse Bush of being AWOL and never knew the reporter lied.


You're welcome.

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WaPo is putting up an article for tomorrow on A1. This story just tickles my funny bone. What a bunch of sorry-ass ratfvckers the democrats are. Even Nixon's crew was infinitely more competent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...7-2004Sep9.html

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I was just thinking the same thing, Dan. How ****ing pathetic are the Democrats if this was the best they could do? It's bad enough that they decided to go with charges against Bush that had been debated ad-nauseum 4 years ago, but to base their new version of the attack on obviously forged documents?!

Berzerker is offline Berzerker
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OMFG!!! ABC, CBS, and Chegitz got PWN'ed

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Dole's ratfvckers, on the other hand, would have done the forging, released it to CBS News, and then framed the democrats for the forgeries.

Shi Huangdi is offline Shi Huangdi
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Drudge Report now says CBS is doing an internal investigation, and the survivors of the supposed memo author's family are all saying they don't believe it.

Oh, And :lol

The liberal media got caught with it's pants down. Every now and then, liberals like to whine and pretend that the media has a conservative bias. Yet episodes like this come along to remind people of the media's true colors.

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It was my understanding that Bush was given permission to work on someone's campaign for Congress. That was the reason for his slacking off on NG duties.


Wynton "Red" Blount, Sr., just in case you're ever in an argument and need the details. His son ran for governor a few years ago, not that it's pertinent.

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Now all we need is somebody to tie the fraud to the Kerry campaign.



Texans for Truth. God, ain't politics grand!

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The liberal media got caught with it's pants down. Every now and then, liberals like to whine and pretend that the media has a conservative bias. Yet episodes like this come along to remind people of the media's true colors.


Yep. With the lack of serious investigation into the Swift Boat charges, the AP's fake story last week about the booing of President Bush's well wishes for Clinton at a rally and now this incredible example of blatant media bias, there's now no longer any question about whether there's a "liberal media". All non-retards can plainly see the media for what it is now...

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Now all we need is somebody to tie the fraud to the Kerry campaign.



Texans for Truth. God, ain't politics grand!





http://www.balloon-juice.com/archives/004377.html

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ABC NEWS:

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False Documentation?
Questions Arise About Authenticity of Newly Found Memos on Bush's Guard Service

Sept. 9, 2004 — Questions are being raised about the authenticity of newly discovered documents relating to George W. Bush's service in the National Guard during the Vietnam War.




Marjorie Connell — widow of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, the reported author of memos suggesting that Bush did not meet the standards for the Texas Air National Guard — questioned whether the documents were real.

"The wording in these documents is very suspect to me," she told ABC News Radio in an exclusive phone interview from her Texas home. She added that she "just can't believe these are his words."

First reported by CBS's 60 Minutes, the memos allegedly were found in Killian's personal files. But his family members say they doubt he ever made such documents, let alone kept them.

Connell said Killian did not type, and though he did take notes, they were usually on scraps of paper. "He was a person who did not take copious notes," she said. "He carried everything in his mind."

Killian's son, Gary Killian, who served in the Guard with his father, also told ABC News Radio that he doubts his father wrote the documents. "It was not the nature of my father to keep private files like this, nor would it have been in his own interest to do so," he said.

"We don't know where the documents come from," he said, adding, "They didn't come from any family member."

Connell said her late husband would be "turning over in his grave to know that a document such as this would be used against a fellow guardsman," and she is "sick" and "angry" that his name is "being battled back and forth on television."

Her late husband was a fan of the young Bush, said Connell, who remarried after her husband died in 1984. "I know for a fact that this young man … was an excellent aviator, an excellent person to be in the Guard, and he was very happy to have him become a member of the 111th."

Experts Question Veracity

Questions are also being raised about the memos by document experts, who say they appear to have been written on a computer, not a typewriter.

The memos are dated 1972 and 1973, when computers with word-processing software were not available.

More than half a dozen document experts contacted by ABC News said they had doubts about the memos' authenticity.

"These documents do not appear to have been the result of technology that was available in 1972 and 1973," said Bill Flynn, one of country's top authorities on document authentication. "The cumulative evidence that's available … indicates that these documents were produced on a computer, not a typewriter:"

Among the points Flynn and other experts noted:

The memos were written using a proportional typeface, where letters take up variable space according to their size, rather than fixed-pitch typeface used on typewriters, where each letter is allotted the same space. Proportional typefaces are available only on computers or on very high-end typewriters that were unlikely to be used by the National Guard.
The memos include superscript, i.e. the "th" in "187th" appears above the line in a smaller font. Superscript was not available on typewriters.
The memos included "curly" apostrophes rather than straight apostrophes found on typewriters.
The font used in the memos is Times Roman, which was in use for printing but not in typewriters. The Haas Atlas — the bible of fonts — does not list Times Roman as an available font for typewriters.
The vertical spacing used in the memos, measured at 13 points, was not available in typewriters, and only became possible with the advent of computers.

The White House is declining to comment on the veracity of the documents. Many Democrats are worried that if they are found to be forgeries, it will be a setback for Sen. John Kerry's campaign to defeat Bush in November.


http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Poli...s_040909-3.html

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Drudge:

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XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU SEPT 09, 2004 22:45:32 ET XXXXX

CBSNEWS LAUNCHES INTERNAL INVESTIGATION AFTER SUSPICIOUS BUSH DOCS AIRED

**Exclusive**

CBS NEWS executives have launched an internal investigation into whether its premiere news program 60 MINUTES aired fabricated documents relating to Bush's National Guard service, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

"The reputation and integrity of the entire news division is at stake, if we are in error, it will be corrected," a top CBS source explained late Thursday.

The source, who asked not to be named, described CBSNEWS anchor and 60 MINUTES correspondent Dan Rather as being privately "shell-shocked" by the increasingly likelihood that the documents in question were fraudulent.

Rather, who anchored the segment presenting new information on the president's military service, will personally correct the record on-air, if need be, the source explained from New York.

MORE


http://www.drudgereport.com/cbsd.htm

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Many Democrats are worried that if they are found to be forgeries, it will be a setback for Sen. John Kerry's campaign to defeat Bush in November.


Ya think?!

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That's what they get for not concentrating on the issues... and still trying to ride this military crap out...

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Before long, we're going to have Kerry campaign employees being charged with forging government documents (I would imagine this is a felony). This is just too much damn fun.

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OMFG!!! ABC, CBS, and Chegitz got PWN'ed


No, justCBS and cg. ABC had a different story.

 
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