10-09-2004 14:27									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Here is my timeline: 1) Alright so Bush seemed... bla bla

All very good points .

Allow me to add his pushing for a gay marriage banning constitutional amendment, the patriot act, and all that faith based initiative crap he was touting around. Bush also happens to be the first president ever where I continually here "God is in the Whitehouse." WTF? That kind of blind support makes me ill, aside from the obvious separation of church/state problem thing.

Kerry seems to be a pretty weak candidate, but given the alternative, it's completely irresponsible not to vote for him.

As for McCain, he strikes me as one of the few good Republicans left. I would vote for him in a heartbeat.

	10-09-2004 14:29									#32
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike Kerry seems to be a pretty weak candidate, but given the alternative, it's completely irresponsible not to vote for him.

Really? You are so full of it.

	10-09-2004 14:32									#33
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk The fact is, Kerry is under a little pressure, and he is not handling it well. What's going to happen if the **** really hits the fan?

I personally haven't noticed it, but that's me.

Perhaps you are more observant of his personality. I will take a closer look.

The thing though about Bush, is everytime he's in an interview, or even making a speech, he says his point, pauses, and then says a sentence or two in this defensive way where he is trying to sell what he just said, like he doesn't even believe what he is reading himself!

	10-09-2004 14:43									#34
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He's never been the best public speaker.

Check this out:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/poli...oll_040909.html

Bush ahead 53 to 43, but it goes into a helluva lotta detail.

	10-09-2004 14:48									#35
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Man!

How does Bush win in the category, "Relations with Other Countries."

He is the worst one I've ever seen!!!

I miss Reagan.

	10-09-2004 15:18									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Really? You are so full of it.

I'll take that remark as I do all of your posts, with a grain of salt.

	10-09-2004 15:52									#37
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McCain would be 72 in 2008 and he's already had cancer once. Though he strikes me as a fit man for his age, if he goes for 2008, you'd really have to have a good look at who his VP would be.

Giuliani would be 64, which'd be alright, but he's got an awful lot of skeletons.

Rice, aside from being black and woman and thus unlikely to get the support from the Republican core, will by then be utterly stained by the intelligence failures leading up to the Iraq War (which will still be rumbling on).

	10-09-2004 16:08									#38
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Does anyone else feel that McCain was blackmailed to drop out of the 2000 running? His campaign for the nomination was running strong, and he appeals to democrats as well as repubs. Then suddenly he just dropped out. His behavior since then seems to indicate that he's lost his drive (maybe from cancer). Bush treated him like **** over campaign finance reform. Even now his support of Bush seems forced and reluctant.

	10-09-2004 16:24									#39
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obama/hillary 2020

	10-09-2004 18:09									#40
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I refuse to vote in a poll where I'm associated with the eurocoms.

Bush wins in 04. Then we get McCain v Clinton in 08; the nutcase v the frigid *****.

	10-09-2004 19:06									#41
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Y'all are forgetting Jeb.

	10-09-2004 19:10									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Guiliani seems to have been a solid leader

Only as a tin pot dictator sort-9/11 saved his political ass, cause he was on the skids here in NYC before it. He is good under pressure from a chatastrophic event- but being able to pass legislation? Not liekly.

	10-09-2004 19:11									#43
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk The fact is, Kerry is under a little pressure, and he is not handling it well. What's going to happen if the **** really hits the fan?

Ask the guy who lost to him in 1996 how Good Kerry can be under pressure- or look at his performance in Iowa.

	10-09-2004 19:12									#44
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Y'all are forgetting Jeb.

Because he never will be prez, not with savings and loans under his wing.

	10-09-2004 19:16									#45
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Because he never will be prez, not with savings and loans under his wing.

It was Neal who was up to his eyeballs in S&L sleaze, not Jeb.

Boy, those Bushes can really turn 'em out, can't they?

	10-09-2004 19:20									#46
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi Does anyone else feel that McCain was blackmailed to drop out of the 2000 running?

He was sabotaged in South Carolina by a Rovian push-poll. The McCains have an adopted daughter from Bangladesh. In SC, people began getting polled, asking if they would support McCain if he'd had an illegitimate daughter by a Black woman. Then they look at his adopted daughter and 'click.' It happens to every single person who runs against Bush.

	10-09-2004 19:27									#47
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk but I also believe certain nations were in fact trying to delay things to no good purpose in the UN.

The problem is that our allies are democracies, while we are a republic. We don't get as much war weariness as they do, so they have to be real careful about the wars they engage in, or they'll have to switch to communism.

	10-09-2004 20:05									#48
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I like McCain a lot. But he does support goverment interference in gambling which I do not like.

He tried to shut down gambling on college sports in my state.

I'll be honest with you though. I usually vote republican presidents. But all we have not is religious nutjobs. I like McCain because he doesn't seem to be a religious nutjob.

	10-09-2004 20:18									#49
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People like to forget that prior to 9/11 Giuliani was just a philandering schmuck. Two planes later people forget all that. Talk about short term memory.

	10-09-2004 20:22									#50
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Sometimes it takes extraordinary events to bring out the greatness in people. Look at President Lincoln.

	10-09-2004 20:30									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Stuie People like to forget that prior to 9/11 Giuliani was just a philandering schmuck. Two planes later people forget all that. Talk about short term memory.

there's nothing wrong with adultery.

	10-09-2004 20:39									#52
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell edwards/obama 2012 obama/hillary 2020

No offense or all, but Obama is probably the biggest turn off for moderates. I heard of him, and I have seen things he has said.. a nut case.

	10-09-2004 20:45									#53
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There is no way in hell I would vote for McCain.

	10-09-2004 20:47									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Stuie People like to forget that prior to 9/11 Giuliani was just a philandering schmuck. Two planes later people forget all that. Talk about short term memory.

He really helped New York City and reduce crime substantially.

	10-09-2004 21:02									#55
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Btw, the whole Bush is leading Kerry so nyah (), Kerry is known for being a great closer. William Weld and Howard Dean both thought Kerry was dead in the water, but out of no where he came around and ended up winning. This is especially relevent in the case of Weld, where Weld had a nice lead with a month or so to go and Kerry just rocked him.

	10-09-2004 21:12									#56
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It happens to every single person who runs against Bush.

Name one single person who has ever run against Bush. I believe all his opponenets were married.

	10-09-2004 21:13									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Btw, the whole Bush is leading Kerry so nyah (), Kerry is known for being a great closer.

I think he is better known as a great stumbler.

quote: William Weld and Howard Dean both thought Kerry was dead in the water, but out of no where he came around and ended up winning. This is especially relevent in the case of Weld, where Weld had a nice lead with a month or so to go and Kerry just rocked him.

Kerry was dead in the water, and will remain there now. It is far too late for him to recover. How can he improve his chances if he just screws up all the time?

	10-09-2004 21:13									#58
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quote: This is especially relevent in the case of Weld, where Weld had a nice lead with a month or so to go and Kerry just rocked him.

Kerry had to go negative and break a spending cap agreement with Weld to close the gap. He'll have no such advantages against Bush.

	10-09-2004 21:15									#59
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I the primaries I'ld say it was more Dean imploding then Kerry coming on strong.

	10-09-2004 21:16									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe I the primaries I'ld say it was more Dean imploding then Kerry coming on strong.

Quoting Dean... ARGagagsagagagagaga...! I think it was more a mental explosion that caused his demise.