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2nd Post down from here contains VOTING RESULTS!

Hello and welcome to another edition of the Apolyton Hall of Fame!

What is it?
The Apolyton Hall of Fame (HoF) is a list of people who contributed a lot to the community here on Apolyton. For example: Xin Yu was inducted in the HoF for his incredible strategy and MP contributions to the Civ2 section, yin26 for his fantastic work on 'The List' with suggestions for Civ3. Every member of the Hall of Fame has made great contributions to Apolyton and the Civilization community - these people and their accomplishments must be remembered by us all!

If you don't recognize many names you probably haven't been here very long and/or hardly ever post outside this forum - in that case this HoF might be a good opportunity to learn something about them. That is why this Hall of Fame was created: to remember and learn.

Periodically, we hold a vote for the Apolytoners who we think contribute the most to Apolyton, the ones who make Apolyton what it is. The winners shall be inducted in the Hall of Fame and their names will live forever in the annals of APOLYTON!

History
The idea for the Hall of Fame was born in late 2000 as an outgrowth of the old Apolyton Army and Apolytoner of the Season Contests, seeking to honor the people of Apolyton in a more meaningful and structured way.

The first edition was held in the Off Topic in December 2000 over a period of 3 days and is currently archived. The first election saw Markos and Dan, the owners and administrators of this site, and the first 10 posters inducted.

Since then, the HoF vote has been held roughly 4 times a year with 11-14 total members being elected every year. Up until August 2002, the vote was held only in the Off Topic forum - from that time on it has been posted in other sections (first in Civ3, later also in SMAC, CtP1-MP, CtP2, etc).

Special Thanks/Why we do certain things:
Ming for archiving the first thread and helping manage the thread in its early days.
As per suggestion by MOBIUS, the last vote's are carried onto the next votes.
As per suggestion by Solver, all previous votes are carried onto the next votes.
As per suggestion by Martin Guhman, December votes are extended till 6 days.
As per suggestion by Locutus, introduction revised.

This edition
Welcome to the September 2004 edition of the APOLYTON HALL OF FAME

(3 Members to be inducted this session)
(Only 10 total will be elected this year)
You have approximately 16 days to vote [Until the 26th/27th).

Please vote today and elect some of your brethren to join the historic Hall; consisting of such hallowed names as Adam Smith, DanQ, MarkG, Giant Squid, St Leo, Ming, Snapcase, oedo, rah and more.

So now is your chance to decide: who should be inducted in the HoF this time?


Table of Contents
I Introduction Post
1) What is it
2) History
3) This Edition
4) Table of Contents
5) Notice

II Rules Post
1) Rules for voting
2) Amendments
a) Purgings
b) Posthumous Inductions
3) FAQ

III Hall Posting
1) Hall of Fame Members
2) Alphabetical member list
3) Chronological member list (by date of induction)
4) Chronological member list (by registration date)
5) Information about the Hall of Famers

IV Current Voting
1) Current Standings
2) Who voted for Whom


POST 2

1) Rules for voting

Everyone can vote for 3 posters

Registered In/Before 1999- 4 points per vote
Registered In 2000- 3 points per vote
Registered In 2001- 3 point per vote
Registered In 2002- 2 points per vote
Registered In 2003- 2 point per vote
Registered In 2004- 1 point per vote

-You may not vote for yourself.
-All ¡¥frivolous¡¦ votes are thrown out.
-Giving your vote to someone merely because they ask is considered a frivolous vote.

No vote changing once you have voted for someone; unless you accidentally voted for someone already in the hall.

You may only vote once in the hall of fame (for 3 people) IF you try to vote more than once ALL of your votes will be made void.

Time Limit for voting is: 20 Days for this time.

2) Amendments

a) Purgings

Members will be purged from the voting rolls if they received 0 new votes in the month of election. This allows the hall to keep up-to-date, and keeps it from having to reset completely every month. Thus, the hall worthy posters will continue to gather votes day in and day out because their contributions to Apolyton are timeless.

b) Posthumous Inductions

In the regrettable case where a popular member has perished, the Hall of Fame has the ability to posthumously induct him/her into the hall based upon popular opinion. The first class of posthumous inductees (December 2003) included such forum greats as Tazidude, Scouse Gits(2), and faded glory.

3) FAQ:

Trust me, an on-topicer will never win ¡§

What about Xin Yu? What about Velociryx? Both good posters who are currently in the hall!
And if you think that being interviewed by Solver is a prerequisite for an on-topicer getting into the hall- remember Paul!

And remember, many of these ¡¥mostly-OT posters¡¦ used to be huge on-topic posters back around 1998-99! Ming for example, Giant Squid for another!

Disclaimer:

The Hall of Fame is based on whoever people vote for, and as Lazarus and the Gimp stated so eloquently: ¡§"The compilers of this list cannot rule out the possibility of inductees being a bunch of utter ****s" Thus. Please. Don¡¦t shoot the messenger.

Where is the Hall of Fame usually posted?

From December 2000 to August 2002, the Hall of Fame had only been posted in the Off Topic forums; with occasional forays into the Apolyton/Community section. However, nowadays you can find the Apolyton Hall of Fame in the OT (main) Civ III (main) and with satellite threads that link into the hall of fame in the following sections: CTP II MP, AC-General, Alt.Civ section-„³Clash of Civilizations (b/c it has 2nd most posts in alt.civ), Civ III DemoGame sections.

Also, the Hall of Fame is currently lobbying to become a news item.

¡¨How long is voting?¡¨

Voting will continue for roughly 7 days.

In December; voting will be 12 days unless the corollary act is enacted and voting is done during Christmas time; in that case voting will be extended to 17 days in order to accommodate all traveling voters)

Why Do People who received no votes last time expire ?

Their votes expire and they are zeroed and kicked off the list because they were not found to be interesting at the time of the last vote or two. This is done so as to keep the hall clear¡K

This new process certainly keeps the hall current (a la Major League Baseball¡¦s Hall of Fame)

I was recommended not to carry over votes at all, but will continue that tradition, at least for this election because of the idea that we don¡¦t just want ¡§flavor of the month¡¨ posters elected. We want people who have contributed over a long period of time.


POST 3

1) Hall of Fame Members

Apolyton Hall of Fame Members -60

December 2001 Adam Smith
December 2000 Alexander's Horse [The Apolyton Troll]
December 2002 Asher
December 2003 Boris Godunov
March 2001 Boshko (AKA Zhu Yuanzhang Dave Boshko)
December 2001 chegitz guevara
August 2002 Chris 62
December 2000 DanQ
December 2003 DanS
May 2003 DinoDoc
March 2002 Ecthelion
March 2001 *End is Forever* (AKA Iain Lindley)
June 2001 EVC (AKA EvC, Evan VonChristof) [The Apolyton Daffy Duck] (Now present as Thorn)
December 2003 faded glory (AKA Saddam)
December 2002 KrazyHorse (AKA Frogger)
December 2000 Giant Squid (AKA Celestion the God, Alexander the Great) [The Apolyton DL]
January 2001 Imran Siddiqui [ACS News Coordinator]
December 2003 Ixnay
March 2002 Jay Bee
March 2004 JohnT
March 2001 Lancer
March 2001 Lazarus and the Gimp (AKA: Ron Jeremy, Bugs ****ing Bunny, Trappist)
January 2003 Locutus
December 2000 Mao
December 2000 MarkG
December 2000 MichaeltheGreat [Another OT Moderator]
December 2000 MikeH
December 2000 Ming [The OT Moderator]
June 2001 Monk
December 2003 notyoueither
December 2003 oedo
January 2003 orange
June 2002 paiktis22
May 2003 Paul
December 2000 Provost Harrison (AKA AI) [The Apolyton Scientist]
March 2002 rah [Yet another OT moderator]
December 2001 Ramo
December 2003 Reismark
December 2000 Roland
March 2004 Scouse Gits
December 2003 Scouse Gits(2)
August 2002 Sirotnikov
December 2002 Slowwhand
December 2001 Snapcase
June 2001 SnowFire
June 2001 Starchild
June 2001 Stefu
January 2001 Stewart Spink
December 2000 St Leo
June 2001 SuperSneak
December 2003Tazidude
June 2002 TCO (AKA GP)
May 2003 Trip
December 2003 UnOrthOdOx
March 2004 War4Ever
December 2001 Wraith
March 2002 Velociryx
March 2002 yin26
December 2000 Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey
June 2002 Xin Yu
May 2003 Zylka

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2) No Dates; Alphabetically:
Adam Smith
Alexander's Horse
Asher
Boris Godunox
Boshko
chegitz guevara
Chris 62
DanQ
DanS
DinoDoc
Ecthelion
*End is Forever*
EVC
faded glory
Giant Squid
Imran Siddiqui
ixnay
Jay Bee
JohnT
KrazyHorse
Lancer
Lazarus and the Gimp
Locutus
Mao
MarkG
Michael the Great
MikeH
Ming
Monk
notyoueither
oedo
orange
paiktis22
Paul
Provost Harrison
rah
Ramo
Reismark
Roland
Scouse Gits
Scouse Gits(2)
sirotnikov
Slowwhand
Snapcase
SnowFire
Starchild
Stefu
Stewart Spink
St Leo
SuperSneak
Tazidude
TCO
Trip
UnOrthOdOx
Velociryx
War4Ever
Wraith
Xin Yu
yin26
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey
Zylka

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3) Chronologically
MarkG Automatic Inductee
DanQ Automatic Inductee
Ming December 2000
MikeH December 2000
MichaeltheGreat December 2000
Mao December 2000
Alexander's Horse December 2000
Giant Squid December 2000
Provost Harrison December 2000
Roland December 2000
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey December 2000
St. Leo December 2000
Imran Siddiqui January 2001
Stewart Spink January 2001
Lancer March 2001
Ron Jeremy March 2001
*End is Forever*March 2001
Boshko March 2001
EVC June 2001
Monk June 2001
Snowfire June 2001
Starchild June 2001
SuperSneak June 2001
Stefu June 2001
Adam Smith December 2001
chegitz guevara December 2001
Ramo December 2001
Snapcase December 2001
Wraith December 2001
rah March 2002
yin26 March 2002
Ecthelion March 2002
Jay Bee March 2002
Velociryx March 2002
Xin Yu June 2002
TCO June 2002
paiktis22 June 2002
Chris 62 August 2002
Sirotnikov August 2002
KrazyHorse December 2002
Asher December 2002
Slowwhand December 2002
orange January 2003
Locutus January 2003
Trip May 2003
Paul May 2003
DinoDoc May 2003
Zylka May 2003
Tazidude Posthumous Inductee
faded glory Posthumous Inductee
Scouse Gits(2) Posthumous Inductee
oedo December 2003
Boris Godunov December 2003
ixnay December 2003
Reismark December 2003
UnOrthOdOx December 2003
DanS December 2003
notyoueither December 2003
JohnT March 2004
Scouse Gits March 2004
War4Ever March 2004

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4) Sorted by Year Registered

1998 (28)
Ming
MarkG
Stewart Spink
Imran Siddiqui
Alexander¡¦s Horse
*End is Forever*
DanQ
Jay Bee
St. Leo
yin26
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey
Snowfire
Starchild
rah
GP/TCO
Xin Yu
MichaeltheGreat
Giant Squid
Reismark
Boshko
Stefu
ixnay
Adam Smith
DanS
Lazarus and the Gimp (YES he really did register then; he¡¦s had his account reset thrice)
War4Ever
Scouse Gits
JohnT

1999 (19)
Paul (mar 1999)
DinoDoc (sept 1999)
Slowwhand (sept 1999)
Ramo (oct 1999)
Asher (nov 1999)
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey
Mao
Tazidude (?)
Velociryx
MikeH
EVC
faded glory (?)
Scouse Gits (2) (?)
Snapcase
Roland
Wraith (?)
SuperSneak (?)
Lancer
Locutus

2000 (8)
Provost Harrison (feb 2000)
oedo (feb 2000)
Sirotnikov (feb 2000)
orange (feb 2000)
Ecthelion (mar 2000)
Zylka (may 2000)
paiktis 22 (oct 2000)
chegitz guevara (?)

2001 (5)
Chris 62 (jan 2001)
Frogger/Krazy Horse (may 2001)
Boris Godunov (aug 2001)
UnOrthOdOx (?)
notyoueither (?)

2002 (1)
Trip (april 2002)
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5) Information About the Hall of Famer¡¦s
Information Courtesy: The Apolyton 100

MarkG - Founder of the site and maintainer. He has created numerous scripts for the site; uploaded data and dealt with troubles, all the while still finding the time to post in the Civ II sections and play Civ. A true legend.
DanQ - Founder of the site and maintainer. He has created numerous scripts for the site; uploaded data and dealt with troubles, all the while still finding the time to post in the Civ II sections and play Civ. A true legend.
Ming - OT moderator. Benevolent and kind. Civ II Mper and Civ II poster. He keeps order on the site and posts a lot in the OT
MikeH - AC-Player; now best known for his Off-topic postings. He now resides at CounterGlow.
MichaeltheGreat - Off topic moderator. Civ II player.
Mao - OT poster, he also posted in the Civ II sections until Aug 2000 when he faded from the forums
EVC - Humorous. Slightly offensive. Well-known for micronationalism; crazed antics. OT regular until his permabanning
Giant Squid - Old Mod-Maker for Civ II and poster on the forums since almost their inception. Best known for Apolyton Micronationalism.
Provost Harrison - AC poster, OT poster, ubiquitious poster. Provost is best known for his off-topic exploits.
Roland - Apolyton economist and financial wizard
Yo_Yo_Yo_Hey - Co-Founded of The Alpha Centauri Nexus (more popular than ACN's SMAC section at the game's peak).
St. Leo - Currently hangs out and promotes the Scenario League. He used to be one of the more important Civ II posters.
Imran Siddiqui- For a time, he was the ACS News Editor. He was a heavy poster back in the old days. Civ II poster. Civ III-ideas poster and contributor to ¡§The List¡¨ Now he generally hangs out in the Off-Topic and runs the Fantasy Baseball League. He enjoyed the old Story-Threads and contributed to many of them.
Stewart Spink - Humor. Spam. OT. Discussions. He was an Apolyton staff member at one time. He maintained the Civ II Top Ten Scoring list and some other things. He also had his own Civ II site.
Lancer - Well known for his charitable Karen Mills threads about the family in the Phillipines and the Apolyton House. He is also well known for his many invaluable Civ II contribuitions. He also created the Apolytoner of the Season contests.
Ron Jeremy- Humorous/Cynical Apolytoner. An old Civ II-er, he now hangs out in the OT.
*End is Forever* - Very interested in music. OT-er.
Boshko- OT-er. Big in political threads
Monk - OT-er. INFO NEEDED
Snowfire - Great contribuiter to The List for Civ III¡K One of the threadmasters for the Civ III list.
Stefu - STEFU! Finnish OT-er! Very humorous.
Adam Smith - Financial wizard. Economist. Used to be big in the Civ II sections; he now solicits financial advice in the OT.
chegitz guevara - Communist¡K You guessed it¡K Theben¡¦s brother. Currently lives in Florida. Well known for his remarkably Left-wing viewpoints.
Ramo - Another Libertarian/Anarchist. Yet Another Texan named Omar. Off-Topic debator.
Snapcase - Hacker, OT-er, and in charge of the Apolyton News.
Wraith - Social Libertarian. OT-er. Anime fan. MORE INFORMATION NEEDED
rah - Major Civ II Mper, brother of Ming and current moderator of the OT. He also posts in the Civ II general section.
yin26- - South Korean master of THE LIST for Civ III! Yin26 used to be moderator of the Civ III section until he decided that he didn¡¦t like Civ III¡K And for all newbies- you can relate his vitriolic statements about Alpha Centauri to Coracle¡¦s whining about Civ III! However, returning to the more important information: yin 26¡¦s listmastering tasks are not to be underestimated- he sorted thorough THOUSANDS of posts to find the best to submit to Firaxis in that huge 200 to 400-or-so page sacred document that is THE LIST.
Ecthelion- - Deutsche-Spam. Prominent Oter known for his humor. Formerly known as Andz83 and ChaosWarrior, Ecthelion originally posted in the Civilization II section. History happens to be one of his favorite topics.
Jay Bee- - Current moderator of the Spanish Civilization II section of the Forums. He is also the genial head of the Spanish Civilization II Site; an excellent site with many varied Spanish-setting scenarios. Jay Bee has been with Apolyton almost since its inception, being one of the first 4 people to register on the forums; right behind the venerable MarkG, DanQ and DarthVeda.
Velociryx - Current head of the Candle¡¦bre project, a project centered around creating a free 4x and massively multiplayer game a la Trade Empires. Vel is also the published author of a recently (July 2002) released Mystery. He also published a strategy guide for Sid Meier¡¦s Alpha Centauri and Alien Crossfire. He is a former AC-Fiction author and frequent AC-contributor. He was nce voted Apolytoner of the Season for the entire site. More information can be found in the Faces of Apolyon Interview by Solver
Xin Yu - Civ II strategy master and MPer. More information can be found in his Faces of Apolyon Interview by Solver
GP/TCO- Best known for his proponency of the ¡§Branching Thread¡¨ format; GP is a former Navy Crewman who happens to be a frequent debater and frequenter of the Apolyton Off-Topic; he has also, in the past, visited the Civ II section, giving hints and advice. Currently (as of Nov 2002) he is under one of his asked for ¡¥bans-from-Apolyton¡¦ so that he is not tempted to post
paiktis22- PLEASE CONTRIBUTE INFORMATION; Apolyton OT-er and former Civ III-ideas and Civ II regular.
Chris62 - He frequents the Spanish Civilization II, Scenario League, OT, General, Multiplayer website forums.
Sirotnikov Humorous. Defends Israel in the OT (since he lives in Israel). Mostly known for his OT work, although he does make some forays into the Civ-community
KrazyHorse/Frogger Large OT poster and debater... and sometimes poster in the Civ II sections
Asher Prominent and loyal OTer
Slowwhand OT and Civ II poster and Multiplayer.
Locutus CTP/CTP2 Ladder/MP, modmaking and CTP/CTP2 moderatorialship fame
orange The poster of Apolyton Yearbook fame! A valued OTer and former civ II and CivIII-civilizations section poster!
Trip An honorable Demogamer, and the starter of the Civ III Demo-Game... as well as a major player in the Civ III PTW demogames and the ISDG... Trip embodies all things demogame. He also had some of the most popular Civ III scenarios; Civil War and Napoleoanic Wars.
DinoDoc Conservative debater in the OT. High Profile Poster. Been around and contribuited for a long time.
Paul CTP modder and designer as well as MPer. OCC God, he created many strategies for it. Paul is also the organizer of various football prediction leagues in the OT. A long staple of the community
Zylka One of those loveable OT-spammers/debators/flamers. The OT always loves their entertainiment. and entertainment is important in keeping users interested in the forums. Therefore, he deserves his position here.
old time Civ player who was a very active member of this site, and one of original Civ II PM players also be included.
Reismark Founder of the Hodadian Award Central, gifting awards to the best Civ-Sites on the Net and the best Civ II scenarios around! He also runs the Apolyton Fantasy Football Challenge and several other contests in the OT.
oedo Discoverer of the ¡§oedo years,¡¨ the discovery ¡§that the period of disorder in Civ 2 for revolutions follows a pattern, and by knowing this pattern, you know when to revolt to eliminate the period of anarchy¡¨ oedo is well known and respected in the Civ II-Strategy community for this discovery that taught those of us who ¡§thought we knew civ¡¨ that there was more to it than we ¡§thought we knew.¡¨
ixnay Humorous poster; Participant in the Civ II Democracy Game, he¡¦s a real whiz with photoshop and graphics; and happens to be the Rise of Nation¡¦s content editor... and is an Apolyton Staff member.
Boris Godunov Friendly OT debater. Much loved.
UnOrthOdOx For his work on the "Jungle Gazette" and other Democracy game publications... as well as his work on the democracy games themselves.
DanS OT Poster and debater. Armchair Economist.
notyoueither Civ III Democracy Gamer and consul in the Intersite Democracy Game. He is also involved in the Civ III multiplayer tourney ladder and can be seen in the Off-Topic as well as a multitude of other places on the Apolyton Civilization Site.
JohnT Former Apolyton Librarian, starter and keeper of the Apolyton SciFi book reading club, volumnious OT contribuitor, and former Civ II poster
Scouse Gits Co-founder of the Great Library project for civ II, Civ II strategist, Civ II poster
War4Ever Civ II MP-Player and occasional OT Poster, and Civ II poster

Tazidude
Posthumous Induction
Obituary Courtesy Ming
¡§Tazidude was a very active member of this site, and one of original Civ II MP players.¡¨
¡§He fought a long battle with cancer and passed away in January of 2000. While suffering with his illness, he used Civ II MP as an escape and a distraction. Even with death looking him right in the face, he continued to post and play... He was a friend to many... a great competitor... and it was truly sad when he finally had to leave the community because the pain got to be too much.¡¨
d. january 2000

Scouse Gits(2)
Posthumous Induction
Obituary Courtesy La Fayette
Scouse Gits(2), or Ivor Wason was primarily a Civ II MP gamer who succumbed to cancer in 2003. He was much loved and well-regarded in the Civ II community.

¡§I would like to say a few words about what Ivor brought us, because he was not only a witty writer and a very strong strategist, but also one of those who gave most to the community, much more than the smiling daily 'robust constructive criticism' that all of us will remember:
-Co-author of the most thorough study about starting techs (more than 5000 starts)
-Co-creator of Apolyton's Great Library¡¨
-'Very early lander', especially on big maps (samson and solo had almost specialized into small maps, when Ivor advised solo to have a look at some of his saves on bigger maps, and that was the starting point of solo's strategy guide)
d. september 2003

faded glory
Posthumous Induction
Obituary Courtesy Keygen
¡§I remember him when he joined his first CtP PBEM game. He was a good and faithfull ally to the end and I had good time playing with him.

He was a very social, stuborn and eccentric person but he had a great heart as well.¡¨
d. october 2003

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1) Current Standings (The Previous Votes’ add-ins are in brackets) a
These are all the people who made the last List, but were not elected.
(136 posters going into the election)

1. El Awrence- [35] (36) 45---116
2. Spiffor- [34] (39) 41---114
3. Solo- [29] (42) 31---102

Kramsib- [37] (30) 32—100

alexman [16] (40) 39--95

DarkCloud- [26] (30) 37—93

Samson- [34] (26) 27---87

Immortal Wombat- [37] (21) 20--78
Master Zen- [26] (20) 32—78

Berzerker- [7] (23) 43--72

WesW- [16] (30) 24--70
Theseus- [12] (25) 33—70

Fez/Giancarlo- [12] (29) 16-- 68

Googlie- [23] (27) 17---67

Jasev- [31] (16) 16--63

Yaroslav- [27] (18) 11--58

Ted Striker- (19) 38--56

Harlan- [27] (19) 8--- 54

Skanky Burns-[15] (17) 20--53

Dr Strangelove- [18] (14) 18---50

Paddy the Scot- (25) 22---47

OzzyKP- [9] (19) 18---46

Jamski- [9] (16) 20---45
Mr. Ogre- [36] (6) 3---45

loinburger- [4] (18) 22---44
Dominae- [4] (19) 21—44

Urban Ranger- [29] (6) 6---41
Togas- [16] (20) 5---41
La Fayette- [4] (13) 24--41

Dr Spike- [13] (7) 20--40
Sagacious Dolphin/Big Crunch/Dauphin- [19] (11) 9--40

Alinestra Covelia [14] (10) 14---38

Malevolent Light- [8] (14) 15--37

MLeonard- -----[14] (10) 11---35

MrWhereItsAt- [14] (16) 4---34

korn469- ---- [11] (16) 6—33
Shi Huangdi- [10] (13) 10---33
Zeus_of_Olimpos- [4] (25) 4---33

Kassiopeia- [10] (10) 10---30

Pekka- [3] (10) 16---29

Azazel (Dalgetti)- [6] (12) 10--28
st_swithin- [25] (3)---28
MrFun- [7] (11) 10---28

Tiamat- (14) 13---27
Hexagonian- [5] (6) 16---27

Molly Bloom- [12] (2) 12---26

deity- [10] (8) 7--25

Ogie Oglethorpe- [6] (7) 12---24
The Slayer- (24)
Beta- [14] (3) 7--24
Catt- [8] (15)—24

vmxa1---[3] (12) 8—23
Techumseh- [11] (4) 8---23

ChrisiusMaximus- [3] (10) 9---22
Arrian [4] (12) 6---22
Pyaray- [19] (3)---22
Chilean President---[4] (16) 2--22

Sprayber – [13] (4) 4---21
UberKrux- [7] (14)-- 21

Wittlich- [6] (14)---20
cavebear- [10] (8) 2—20

Comrade Tassadar- [4] (10) 5---19
Frustrated Poet- [5] (8) 6—19
Sn00py- [10] (6) 3---19

GePap- [6] (2) 10---18
GhengisFarb- [13] (5)—18
Agathon---[3] (4) 11--18

Solver- (13) 4---17
Jon Miller- [8] (7) 2---17
Oerdin- [9] (3) 5--17

CivNation (AKA DefensorFidei)- [8] (4) 4---16

Lefty Scaevola- (11) 4---15
SlowThinker-(9) 6---15
vondrack- [3] (10) 2--15
Sava- [3] (12)--15

MariOne- [5] (9)--14

SKILORD- [3] (8) 2---13
PLATO- [3] (7) 3—13
Snowflake/HongHu- [1] (3) 9---13

Drake Tungsten- 12
Rommel2D- 12
Post Count Zero- [4] (4) 4---12
MarkusF- [4] (4) 4---12

David Floyd- [4] (7)---11
Sikander- (11)
Dissident- 11
Kaak- [6] (1) 4---11

Venom- [3] (7)—10
Lincoln- [4] (4) 2—10
Ned- 10
Quinns----[6] (4)--10
Arnelos- [2] (8)---10

vovan- (7) 2---9
Fried-Psitalon- [4] (3) 2---9
Frankychan- [6] (3)---9
Zopperoni---[7] (2)---9

Tau Ceti- (8)
finbar- [3] (2) 3—8
Boann- (4) 4---8

E_T- (7)
Ljube-Ljcvetko- 7
Archaic- [3] (4)---7
Theben- 7

alva- (4) 2---6
Exile- 6
Coracle-(3) 3---6
devilmunchkin- [3] (3)---6
Mercator- 6
Frozzy- [2] (4)---6
Drogue- [4] (2)---6
100. Crimson Sunrise- [3] (3) ---6
fairline- 6
civman2000- [3] (3)---6

ducki- (5)
Jaguar- (2) 3---5
mindseye- (2) 3---5
Keygen- (2) 3---5
joncha- (2) 3—5
Aeson- [2] (3)--5

Lorizael- (4)
Mr Baggins- (4)
Rasputin- (4)
monolith94- (4)
BaronO- (4)
Smash- (4)
Blake- 4
Dale- [2] (2)---4
Eli- 4
TheBirdMan- [2] (2)---4
Guynemer- 4
nbarclay- 4
Niessuh- (2) 2—4
academia- 4
GeoModder- 4
Aqualung71- 4
Kody- [1] (3)--4
WRW- [1] (3)--4

hemical Ollie- (3)
raingoon- (3)
Bongo- (3)
Lonestar- (3)
jimmytrick- (3)
CharlesBHoff- (3)
Gramphos- (3)
Aqualung- 3
Verto- 3
Bongo- 3
Winston- 3
Serb- 3
Whaleboy- 3
Martin Gühmann- 3
Wigalf- 3
Makeo- 3
Natalinasmpf- 3
Gerar Dean- (2) 1---3
Smiley- 3
Adaigo- 3
Ari Rahikkala- 3

Sir Ralph-(2)
Elephant- (2)
Rhothaerill- (2)
Darius- (2)
CerberusIV-(2)
136. Flubber- (2)
Bloody Monk- 2
Kurious- 2
Harry Tuttle- 2
Rasbelin- 2
fanes7-2
DeepO- 2
Ben Kenobi- 2
jshelr- 2
El Mencey- 2
happysunshine- 2
curtsibling- 2


2) Who voted for Whom

-Jrabbit voted for: Bloody Monk (2), Berzerker (2), Solo (2)
academia voted for: El Awrence (3), Jasev (3), Master Zen (3)
Adagio voted for: HongHu (3), Ljube-Ljcvetko (3), Skanky Burns (3)
Agathon voted for: Spiffor (2), Molly Bloom (2), Ted Striker (2)
alexman voted for: Dominae (4), Rommel2D (4), Theseus (4)
Alva voted for: Dauphin (3), Dissident (3), Frustrated Poet (3)
amidala voted for: Master Zen (2), Kramsib (2), El Awrence (2)
Andemagne voted for: DarkCloud (4), Pekka (4), Kassiopeia (4)
Arrian voted for: alexman (3), Theseus (3), Dominae (3)
Asher voted for: Ted Striker (4), Loinburger (4), Spiffor (4)
Azazel voted for: Spiffor (3), Pekka (3), Giancarlo (3)
Ben Kenobi voted for: Solo (2), cavebear (2), Shi Huangdi (2)
Berzerker voted for: Ted Striker (4), Agathon (4), Ogie Oglethorpe (4)
Beta voted for: alexman (2), Paddy the Scot (2), vondrack (2)
Bloody Monk voted for: Solo (3), Samson (3), La Fayette (3)
bongo voted for: Paddy the Scot (4), Rommel2d (4), Aqualung71 (4)
Boshko voted for: Berzerker (4), loinburger (4), Shi Huangdi (4)
Brtndr4u voted for: Mleonard (3), Giancarlo (3), Tiamat (3)
Carloquillo voted for: Kramsib (2), Chilean President (2), Jasev (2)
chegitz guevara voted for: Giancarlo (3), Ned (3), Wigalf (3)
Chilean President voted for: El Awrence (3), Master Zen (3), Kramsib (3)
Chrisius Maximus voted for: Paddy the Scot (2), SKILORD (2), Vovan (2)
civman2000 voted for: DarkCloud (3), Togas (3), MasterZen (3)
Cold Wizard voted for: OzzyKP (3), Malevolent Light (3), Berzerker (3)
conmcb25 voted for: Beta (2), Togas (2), MrWhereItsAt (2)
curtsibling voted for: Exile (3), fairline (2), Harry Tuttle (2)
DarkCloud voted for: Urban Ranger (3), El Awrence (3), Googlie (3)
Dauphin voted for: Dissident (4), Ted Striker (4), Drake Tungsten (4)
David Floyd voted for: Berzerker (4), Tiamat (4), Lefty Scaevola (4)
DAVOUT voted for: Spiffor (2), Molly Bloom (2), GePap (2)
debeest voted for: samson (3), solo (3), La Fayette (3)
Dissident voted for: Berzerker (3), Tiamat (3), Ted Striker (3)
Dominae voted for: alexman (2), Theseus (2), vmxa1 (2)
Drogue voted for: Spiffor (2), Rasbelin (2), Jamski (2)
DrSpike voted for: Jamski (3), Skanky Burns (3), Dauphin (3)
Dr Strangelove voted for: Azazel (4), Eli (4), Guynemer (4)
duke o’york voted for: Spiffor (3), Berzerker (3), El Awrence (3)
*El Awrence voted for: Jasev (4), Kramsib (4), Master Zen (4)
el mencey voted for: El Awrence (2), Kramsib (2), Master Zen (2)
FlameFlash voted for: Googlie (3), Adaigo (3), Keygen (3)
FrustratedPoet voted for: Skanky Burns (2), Dr Spike (2), alva (2)
g5harrison voted for: Academia (1), Gerar Dean (1), Kramsib (1)
GePap voted for: DarkCloud (3), Spiffor (3), Loinburger (3)
Gerar Dean voted for: El Awrence (2), Kramsib (2), MasterZen (2)
Gigante Verde voted for: El Awrence (1), Master Zen (1), Kramsib (1)
Grigor voted for: Solo (3), Samson (3), La Fayette (3)
Harry Tuttle voted for: Curt Sibling (2), Fariline (2), Yaroslav (2)
hexagonian voted for: WesW (4), Immortal Wombat (4), Solver (4)
Heresson voted for: joncha (3), Winston (3), Azazel (3)
Hydey voted for: Deity (3), finbar (3), makeo (3)
Immortal Wombat voted for: WesW (3), Hexagonian (3), MrOgre (3)
Imran Siddiqui voted for: Spiffor (4), Ted Striker (4), MrFun (4)
ixnay voted for: DarkCloud (4), loinburger (4), Fez (4)
Jaguar voted for: Spiffor (3), Theseus (3), Ted Striker (3)
Jamski voted for: Skanky Burns (2), DrSpike (2), HongHu (2)
Japher voted for: Oerdin (2), DarkCloud (2), MrFun (2)
jasev voted for: El Awrence (3), Kramsib (3), Academia (3)
Jay Bee voted for: El Awrence (4), Jasev (4), Yaroslav (4)
J Byetheway voted for: WesW (3), Immortal Wombat (3), Hexagonian (3)
JCG voted for: Master Zen (2), Kramsib (2), El Awrence (2)
jm_ruiz voted for: El Awrence (2), Niessuh (2), Kramsib (2)
JohnT voted for: Immortal Wombat(4), Agathon (4), Ogie Oglethorpe (4)
Jon Miller voted for: Zeus_of_Olimpos (4), Civnation (4), Post Count Zero (4)
Jonny voted for: Smiley (3), DrSpike (3), Skanky Burns (3)
Justinianum voted for: Mercator (2), Fairline (2), Yaroslav (2)
Kassiopeia voted for: Googlie (3), Alinestra Covelia (3), Immortal Wombat (3)
Kelzad voted for: Kramsib (2), El Mencey (2), El Awrence (2)
Konquest02 voted for: Theseus (2), Arrian (2)
Kramsib voted for: El Awrence (3), Jasev (3), Yaroslav (3)
Krill voted for: alexman (2), jshelr (2), DeepO (2)
Kuciwalker voted for: Jaguar (3), Comrade Tassadar (3), Verto (3)
La Fayette voted for: Solo (3), Samson (3), SlowThinker (3)
*Lazarus and the Gimp voted for: Chrisius Maximus (4), Alinestra Covelia (4), Molly Bloom (4)
lightblue voted for: Ted Striker (3), Loinburger (3), Pekka (3)
Ljube-ljcvetko voted for: Skanky Burns (2), Jamski (2), DrSpike (2)
Locutus voted for: WesW (4), Immortal Wombat (4), Harlan (4)
Lonestar voted for: Serb (3), Spiffor (3), Oerdin (3)
Main_Brain voted for: Jamski (2), Comrade Tassadar (2), vmxa1 (2)
MaleveolentLight voted for: Kaak (4), MarkusF (4), berserker (4)
Maquiladora voted for: WesW (3), Hexagonian (3), Martin Guhmann (3)
Makahlua voted for: Alexman (2), Dominae (2), Paddy the Scot (2)
Maniac voted for: Googlie (4), DarkCloud (4), GeoModder (4)
Manya voted for: El Awrence (2), Master Zen (2), Kramsib (2)
Martin Gühmann voted for: WesW (3), Immortal Wombat (3), Hexagonian (3)
McMeadows voted for: Alexman (4), Paddy the Scot (4), Rommel2D (4)
Mercator voted for: tecumseh (4), Exile (4), Alinestra Covelia (4)
Method voted for: Kassiopeia (3), Immortal Wombat (3), Alinestra Covelia (3)
mindseye voted for: Dr Strangelove (4), Molly Bloom (4), GePap (4)
Ming voted for: Berzerker (4), OzzyKP (4), Malevolent Light (4)
molly bloom voted for: Agathon (3), Whaleboy (3), Mindseye (3)
Monk voted for: Harlan Thompson (4)
Mr. Nice Guy voted for: Lincoln (2), Jon Miller (2), Ben Kenobi (2)
MrWhereItsAt voted for: alexman (3), Dominae (3), Paddy the Scot (3)
Ned voted for: Ogie Oglethorpe (4), Drake Tungsten (4), Blake (4)
Niessuh voted for: Master Zen (2), Kramsib (2), El Awrence (2)
Nikolai voted for: DarkCloud (3), DrSpike (3), korn469 (3)
oedo voted for: solo (3), spiffor (3), Ted Striker (3)
Ogie Oglethorpe voted for: Ned (4), Drake Tungsten (4), Berzerker (4)
Old n Slow voted for: La Fayette (2), Solo (2), samson (2)
OzzyKP voted for: Berzerker (4), MalevolentLight (4), Deity (4)
Paddy the Scot voted for: Chrisius Maximus (3), Bongo (3), Aqualung (3)
pchang voted for: Strangelove (4), Theben (4), Ted Striker (4)
PLATO voted for: Spiffor (2), nbarclay (2), vmxa1 (2)
Provost Harrison voted for: Big Crunch (3), Spiffor (3), Jamski (3)
rah voted for: Berzerker (4), Malevolent Light (4), OzzyKP (4)
Rhothaerill voted for: Beta (2), alexman (2), Theseus (2)
Richelieu voted for: Theben (3)
rjmatsleepers voted for: Solo (2), Samson (2), La Fayette (2)
Scouse Gits voted for: Solo (4), Samson (4), LaFayette (4)
Sirotnikov voted for: Sn00py (3), korn469 (3), Pekka (3)
Sir Ralph voted for: alexman (3), Theseus (3), Coracle (3)
Skanky Burns voted for: DrSpike (3), Jamski (3), FrustratedPoet (3)
SlowwHand voted for: Boann (4), Berzerker (4), Sprayber (4)
Snowflake voted for: Jamski (2), Skanky Burns (2), DrSpike (2)
solo voted for: Samson (3), LaFayette (3), SlowThinker (3)
Solomwi voted for: alexman (2), Theseus (2), Dominae (2)
Solver voted for: DarkCloud (4), WesW (4), Hexagonian (4)
Spaced Cowboy voted for: Skanky Burns (3), Jamski (3), DrSpike (3)
Sparrowhawk voted for: solo (4), Samson (4), La Fayette (4)
Spiffor voted for: Plato (3)l, Doc Strangelove (3), Azazel (3)
Stefu voted for: Ted Striker (4), loinburger (4), DarkCloud (4)
St Leo voted for: Tecumseh (4), Mercator (4), GePap (4)
Stuie voted for: alexman (3), Berzerker (3), Pekka (3)
Switch voted for: alexman (2), Theseus (2), vmxa1 (2)
Tall Stranger voted for: Alexman (2), Theseus (2), Dominae (2)
Ted Striker voted for: Dr. Strangelove (4), Berzerker (4), Dissident (4)
Theben voted for: HongHu (4), Jamski (4), Ljube-Ljcvetko (4)
The Emperor Fabulous voted for: Spiffor (4), Mleonard (4), MrFun (4)
Theseus voted for alexman (2), HappySunShine (2), fanes7 (2)
The Slayer voted for: Master Zen (2), Kramsib (2), El Awrence (2)
Trip voted for: DarkCloud (2), alexman (2), nbarclay (2)
unscratchedfoot voted for: Paddy the Scot (2), ChrisiusMaximus (2), Kurious (2)
Unspeakable Horror voted for: El Awrence (4), Master Zen (4), Dark Cloud (4)
Velociryx voted for: Googlie (4), Theseus (4), Arrian (4)
VJ voted for: Kassiopeia (3), Ari Rahikkala (3), Dr Strangelove (3)
Vlad Antlerkov voted for: Shi Huangdi (4), Theseus (4), Mleonard (4)
vmxa1 voted for: Urban Ranger (3), Dominae (3), alexman (3)
vondrack voted for: Fried-Psitalon (2), MrWhereItsAt (2), Dominae (2)
Wernazuma voted for: Natalinasmpf (3), Ned (3), Giancarlo (3)
Wittlich voted for: Tiamat (3), Beta (3), Paddy the Scot (3)

*Registered 1999

Last edited by DarkCloud on 18-09-2004 at 04:54

	11-09-2004 02:23									#3
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Short explanation on why the # of votes for people declined:

Only two people really suffered, by the new system- everyone else dropped a bit- but the playing field was really leveled and indeed even myself dropped from 1st to 5th place on the new ranking system.

But instead of hurting, the new system helped 90% of the people- since the scores at the top of the list were becoming near-unassailable.

Honestly, the Hall needs to be reset about once every 2 years. (In the past it was reset every month) for ‘flavor-of-the-month’ posters to drop down and for more steady contributors to gain entry.

-DC

	11-09-2004 02:25									#4
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Ted:
Agathon:
Ogie:

	11-09-2004 02:27									#5
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Wow, I have a whole 11 votes. Think I've had that for 3 years now.

	11-09-2004 02:29									#6
	Put an end to popups!

3 people voted for me?

Last edited by Lonestar on 11-09-2004 at 02:36

	11-09-2004 02:31									#7
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Spiffor
Darkcloud
Loinburger

3 points each.

	11-09-2004 02:31									#8
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HeY! I'm almost certain I got at least 1 sympathy vote the last time!!!

I vote for

Oerdin
Dark Cloud
and MrFun (for taking my sheit)

	11-09-2004 02:34									#9
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solo, cavebear, Shi Huangdi.

	11-09-2004 02:36									#10
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Spiffor
Pekka
Giancarlo .

	11-09-2004 02:36									#11
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quote: Venom- (7)

and how the hell does that happen?!

	11-09-2004 02:36									#12
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I vote for Kaak, MarkusF, and berserker.

I AM LISTED TWICE ON THAT LIST!!!! I am both HappySunShine and EyesOfNight.

	11-09-2004 02:43									#13
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oh yes-

EXPIRED: (41)

Sten Sture- (42)

Dissident- (27)

Sergeant Sheets- (18)

Mercator- (17)
panag- (17)

Drake Tungsten- (14)

Ari Rahikkala- (12)
The Mad Monk- (12)

H Tower- (11)
FlameFlash (11)
Aro- (11)

Peter Triggs- (8)
Captain Nemo- (8)
Dangime (8)

Darsnan- (6)
100. makeo- (6)

Tuberski- (5)

RUFFHAUS86- (4)
Gregor-(4)
CheckMate-( 4)
110. Carlous Rex- (4)
Edan- (4)

History Guy- (3)
The Big Mc- (3)
Lord of the Mark- (3)
Paul Hanson-(3)
Japher- (3)
Caesar the Great- (3)
Minute Mirage- (3)
StrategicKing- (3)
125. Metaliturtle- (3)
mr mitchell- (3)

conmcb25-(2)
Stefan Härtel- (2)
Mongoose- (2)
Sween32- (2)
Troll- (2)
verres- (2)
Celestial Dawn- (2)

El mency- (1)

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and MalevolentLight I'll fix that

	11-09-2004 02:52									#14
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud Short explanation on why the # of votes for people declined: Only two people really suffered, by the new system- everyone else dropped a bit- but the playing field was really leveled and indeed even myself dropped from 1st to 5th place on the new ranking system. But instead of hurting, the new system helped 90% of the people- since the scores at the top of the list were becoming near-unassailable. Honestly, the Hall needs to be reset about once every 2 years. (In the past it was reset every month) for ‘flavor-of-the-month’ posters to drop down and for more steady contributors to gain entry. -DC

What's actually changed? Some people are on the same as last time, and some have dropped? How does it work now, and doesn't the first post need to be updated because of that?

	11-09-2004 02:59									#15
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Googlie, Theseus, and Arrian

-=Vel=-

	11-09-2004 03:08									#16
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DarkCloud
alexman
nbarclay

	11-09-2004 03:08									#17
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I'm gonna hold my vote until I see some points awarded to both Snoopy and Korn.

	11-09-2004 03:12									#18
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud oh yes- EXPIRED: (41) Sten Sture- (42) Dissident- (27) Sergeant Sheets- (18) Mercator- (17) panag- (17) Drake Tungsten- (14) Ari Rahikkala- (12) The Mad Monk- (12) H Tower- (11) FlameFlash (11) Aro- (11) Peter Triggs- (8) Captain Nemo- (8) Dangime (8) Darsnan- (6) 100. makeo- (6) Tuberski- (5) RUFFHAUS86- (4) Gregor-(4) CheckMate-( 4) 110. Carlous Rex- (4) Edan- (4) History Guy- (3) The Big Mc- (3) Lord of the Mark- (3) Paul Hanson-(3) Japher- (3) Caesar the Great- (3) Minute Mirage- (3) StrategicKing- (3) 125. Metaliturtle- (3) mr mitchell- (3) conmcb25-(2) Stefan Härtel- (2) Mongoose- (2) Sween32- (2) Troll- (2) verres- (2) Celestial Dawn- (2) El mency- (1) --- and MalevolentLight I'll fix that

I got two votes?

Yippur

Means two people out of all the wonderful intelligent people voted for me

Let me guess
Albert Speer and Giancarlo?

Thanks guys

Gramps

	11-09-2004 03:23									#19
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Spiffor (4)
Ted Striker (4)
Mr Fun (4)

	11-09-2004 04:09									#20
	Got spare money?

Spiffor (4)
MLeonard (4)
Mr Fun (4)

	11-09-2004 04:14									#21
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3 votes each:

solo
samson
La Fayette

Monk

	11-09-2004 04:15									#22
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Those must be on topic people .

	11-09-2004 04:16									#23
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Serb
Spiffor
Oerdin

	11-09-2004 04:35									#24
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Skanky Burns
Dr.Spike
alva

	11-09-2004 04:39									#25
	Suffering from ads?

Berzerker
Tiamat
Lefty Scaevola

	11-09-2004 04:42									#26
	Got spare money?

for all my work in the hot or not threads, i should be considered for candidacy.

	11-09-2004 05:07									#27
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Ted Striker
loinburger
Pekka

	11-09-2004 05:20									#28
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Drogue, don't worry, I explained in my PM to you
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I'll update the list in a few minutes. Please be patient!
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Thanks for all the votes!

	11-09-2004 05:21									#29
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Spiffor (2)
Rasbelin (2)

Both for being wonderful hosts, as well as contributions to the site.

Damn this last one's hard though. I wanted to put
IW - for erm, and general w00tness,
Laurentius - for being a great guy and showing me Helsinki,
Geomodder - for the ACDG and showing the site how to spam (again),
Jamski - all the other games work deserves recognition, especially the Apolyton Dungeon, and
DrSpike - the person who should have won all the Gladiators, but didn't.

Much as it pains me not putting down an ACDGer - although it would be hard choosing between Geo, Maniac (who practically wrote the rules) Method (for filling in for me ) and HongHu - Jamski's done far to much to go unrecognised, hence my last vote:

Jamski (2)

	11-09-2004 05:22									#30
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud Drogue, don't worry, I explained in my PM to you

Thanks! Sorry for the confusion