13-09-2004 01:39									#1
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You should have seen Austria as a playable civilization in Napoleonic Europe Conquest Scenario. You should have also seen Charles V leaderhead for the French in DIscovery scenario.

Now, actually there IS a civilization called Austria (recognized in the Civilopedia), there is a full leaderhead set, there is a UU, the Ussar; even CHarles V as a King Unit. Now, for a strange reason Austria Doesn´t appear as a playable civilization in the standart game mode.

It seems a whole new civiization (the 33rd) has been totally stripped out of the game! I wonder if anyone has noticed it, and if the reasons are known...

Please EXPLAIN!

	13-09-2004 02:25									#2
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The game is hard-coded to only support a certain number of playable civilizations. If you want to play the Austrians, simply mod an existing civ with Austria's stats. Remember to backup the your orginial Civ3X file; or, just create a mod and play with that instead.

Here are some links to help you with the modding:

Austrians revealed
The 32nd Civ

	13-09-2004 02:31									#3
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Thanks a lot! I still wonder why it were the austrians the one to suffer; maybe just some other civs (lets say the korean) should have suffered...

	13-09-2004 07:16									#4
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Austria had one of the biggest empires in europe some 100 years ago.... Its history dates back some 1000 years. It was also the last remaining part of the "Holy Roman Empire".

I was really upset they exluded austria as a civ and instead prefered other civs like the zulu's or korea...

	13-09-2004 08:13									#5
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Heck, go further back into the Germanic peoples... the Goths TOOK OVER the Western Roman Empire for chrissakes (pun intended).

How do ya like this: 'Good' = 'Gaut' = 'Goth'

	13-09-2004 11:14									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Heck, go further back into the Germanic peoples... the Goths TOOK OVER the Western Roman Empire for chrissakes (pun intended). How do ya like this: 'Good' = 'Gaut' = 'Goth'

words are great

a sword by any other name

	13-09-2004 19:57									#7
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I never thought of that juxtaposition before. Staying on theme, the Goths were SUPERIOR makers of swords... they were bending and twisting iron/steel long before the Japanese.

	13-09-2004 20:59									#8
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Wow, you are good. You actually made me look up what "juxtaposition" means.

To stay on topic - the Goths dead, the Japanese alive and kicking. What's that tell you?

Anyway, if someone wants a civ to play it, he should have it. Heck, I play Polish all the time and they weren't in any of the Civs to date.

	13-09-2004 22:19									#9
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'Juxtaposition' is indeed a fine word, but it's not really the right one in the context (sorry T). An expression like a "re-juxtaposition" or a "different juxtaposition" would have to be used.

What Paddy did is called an "anagram".

If I were truly awesome I would figure out an anagram with 'anagram' and post it right here, but unfortunately I'm not.

	13-09-2004 22:34									#10
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Dom, that's what you get for wasting your time trying to ram a nag with your car.

	13-09-2004 22:46									#11
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Ahem.

The switching of letters provided an anagram.

Comparing the two words was in fact a juxtaposition, especially considering the inherent thought.

[/pedantry]

	13-09-2004 23:09									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Solomwi Dom, that's what you get for wasting your time trying to ram a nag with your car.

Touché.

	13-09-2004 23:09									#14
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Words can indeed be swords.

	14-09-2004 00:11									#15
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... bunch of nerds in here

	14-09-2004 02:12									#16
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I want Canada and Mexico civs

Nerds

	14-09-2004 04:10									#17
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Anyhow .... this is what my Austrian Hussar unit looks like:

7/2 - 3 move cavalry replacement. Has ZoC and costs 90 but requires only horses, not saltpeter. And as a bonus, it can enslave as a 'modern day' combat unit and produces slave workers.

	14-09-2004 05:37									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Wow, you are good. You actually made me look up what "juxtaposition" means. To stay on topic - the Goths dead, the Japanese alive and kicking. What's that tell you? Anyway, if someone wants a civ to play it, he should have it. Heck, I play Polish all the time and they weren't in any of the Civs to date.

could it be that the Japanese lived on islands and the Goths had many many people groups around them

and as some say there blood lines can still be seen in people groups throughout Europe

and yes we should be allowed to have the civs we want - one of the joys of having the editor programme

	14-09-2004 08:11									#19
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quote: Originally posted by MattPilot Anyhow .... this is what my Austrian Hussar unit looks like: 7/2 - 3 move cavalry replacement. Has ZoC and costs 90 but requires only horses, not saltpeter. And as a bonus, it can enslave as a 'modern day' combat unit and produces slave workers.

Whaddaya know, the Polish UU is a Hussar also. It is a 5/3/2 knight replacement. Historically it is something between a Horseman and Cavalry (no plate armour like Knights). So if you make it a Cavalry replacement, make it weaker and cheaper than the basic unit (something like the Ansar Warrior is compared to the Knight). Otherwise you just get another Sipahi.

	14-09-2004 10:14									#20
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ah... but a sipahi can't enslave... (oh, and its 8/3)

I just tested 'my' hussar ... its rather kewl... needs some good protection though because of the 2 defense. I found the enslaved workers very useful in building defensive forts in enemy territory.

	14-09-2004 13:38									#21
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Nice to know that you like your stronger version of Cavalry - something the Hussar never was. Now make it 6/2/3 and 10 shields cheaper than normal Cavalry and it will be ok. :P

	14-09-2004 18:15									#22
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quote: stronger version of Cavalry - something the Hussar never was

My austrian hussar is an elite hussar .... i guess i have a little bias there