01-10-2004 03:01									#61
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if we are gonna play RAH's rules for everything not covered you really should check out the thread Drake. Just about all the stupid little stuff that can come up in a game and cause problems is covered in there. I am not 100% sold on all of them but at least its a fallback if a dispute does come up. If everyone's aware of them then there wont be any misunderstandings about whats legal and what isnt.

I don't care what barb level we use as long as I know what it is ahead of time . Same with map size ( keep in mind it is a 12 city max though).

One thing I didn't understand earlier was that this game is played to a certain year not a certain number of points. Thats fine with me also, just want to make sure thats correct.

	01-10-2004 04:24									#62
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Funny. I though I just read that I was hosting a game starting in 45 minutes. But when I check my email and private messages, I have nothing to confirm or deny this! NEAT!

	01-10-2004 04:40									#63
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Well I did send to your bounced email address

	01-10-2004 04:42									#64
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A John Kerry like bounce?

My wife will be home in a few minutes, Ill have to clear all this with her.

	01-10-2004 05:06									#65
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It flip-flopped...

	01-10-2004 22:59									#66
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I have 2 points

	02-10-2004 01:40									#67
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I believe that's all I managed to score in round one as well.

Just to recap, we're going ahead with no caravans, no howitzers, no nukes, no Collosus. Anything else we decided upon?

Though the debate was obviously distracting this game, what I gathered is that Deity and Dylan are neighbors, and DD is isolated but in a harsh land. I am on my own little island, with no reference in regards to proximity.

Round two we should get more accomplished.

	02-10-2004 03:58									#68
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I have just one point.

	04-10-2004 08:49									#69
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when did we say no howitzers or nukes - not that I care - I just dont remember that

	04-10-2004 15:17									#70
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No spies?

	04-10-2004 15:23									#71
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DD, you suggested no nukes and we agreed;
plus drake and I suggested no howies...
is that OK?

quote: Originally posted by drake2 Sorry for the new UN, I got locked out of my other account for an unknown reason and tech support hasn't reactivated it yet. Go figure. OK, so it looks like Deity, Dude, myself and hopefully llube at the moment. Let's shoot for 4 players, 5 only if we have someone dying to get in (which isn't likely). Why don't we just set it at Thursdays 8pm US est, as the official start time, so we don't have any ambiguity. No nukes is fine. I think a no howitzer rule would be good too, due to the simplicity that they create in city assault. Let's force new strategies. 12 city limit is a fine idea, it will make users define their territory in a new way, and ensure that city placement is well thought out. It will also force players to utilize their shields more effectively. I think it will obviously have to be a 12 settler built city limit. We can't really penalize people for taking enemy cities over. Why don't we just pull caravans out entirely. Again, it will encourage a quicker game, and make people think outside the box. No alliances would be good. Perhaps no tech trading? Perhaps a one city takeover per turn max, that way we avoid massive assaults that could take excessive amounts of time to wage. That might be too limiting I don't know. What other things kill the game in the industrial age? Excessive units come to mind, but that should be controlled somewhat by the city limit. I understand your reluctance about the points system DD, but the idea is that it will allow a civ to reach the high score in mutliple ways. A conqueror who takes over the world could win by sheer force alone, but a pacifist who tallies the most advances and wonders could also win. I'd guess the winner would likely have to be somewhat in the middle, but the scoring system should provide flexibility in this aspect. With 2000 as the end date, people know exactly how long they have to get their **** together. There will be no question when the game ends. Having an end in sight is key in people keeping motivated. If 2000 is too late, perhaps we could lower as far as even 1900. Maybe 1950? I don't know, but the set end date I think is a great idea. The goal is a game that explores all facets of civ, from ancient to modern, but is still finishable. If we set realistic expectations, we can create a game that is fast paced and exciting from the age of exploration, to the age of space. Let's get more ideas and iron the game plan out.

	04-10-2004 23:55									#72
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I think spies are ok, just no suitcase nukes.

	05-10-2004 21:37									#73
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like I said - I dont care - I just didnt remember it

	06-10-2004 12:06									#74
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quote: Originally posted by drake I think spies are ok, just no suitcase nukes.

Spies are pretty powerfull all round, like poisoning is nasty. I've never done it to anyone but others have. You can mega-spy raid and without using ANY military units reduce your opponents key cities to pop of only one = easy pickings then... not really in the spirit of the game but I might use it if it's allowed....

	06-10-2004 12:09									#75
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Hey guys, we want this to be a good long running game. Do you think we should post pics of our starts to make sure we are all on an even keel? And that everyone is happy? I'm obviously OK at top of PG though.

	07-10-2004 05:04									#76
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I just say everyone gang up on the obvious leader - Deity

	08-10-2004 05:55									#77
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No Dylan today? Three of us are here now....

	08-10-2004 06:00									#78
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OK, FYI game cancelled. Drake is not available next week so we thought we try for a new game in 2 weeks time. Please post interests! We'll build on the special rules discused in this thread. WE need at least 4 players.

	08-10-2004 22:58									#79
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Well, I have no problem resuming started game. A new game is fine also, I just want to have weekly time, rules, everything more solid before we go again.

	10-10-2004 08:38									#80
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I'm fine with current game if it's us four playing.

	19-10-2004 03:04									#81
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so where are we at - is this game dead

	20-10-2004 04:47									#82
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Yes.

	20-10-2004 05:47									#83
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LOL - I didn't know you were ever in it Ozzy

	20-10-2004 21:01									#84
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I am up for either continuing or restarting this some time. Did Dylan ever say what his deal was?

	21-10-2004 03:37									#85
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havnt heard from Dylan - Im still interested - I think deity is too - even if Ozzy says the game is dead

	21-10-2004 04:43									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Deity Dude LOL - I didn't know you were ever in it Ozzy

I'm just talking smack.

Our Civ3 Diplo is dead.

	22-10-2004 04:05									#87
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I really need a game in this slot but, being day time here, I can't hang around just in case we get enough players. We need at least 4 committed players to confirm ahead of time please.

I'll be back in an hour or so....

	22-10-2004 04:15									#88
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I'M HERE!!!

Sorry folks, I'm an idiot. Baby birthin' classes took up on Thursday nights, and this totally slipped my mind.

	22-10-2004 05:38									#89
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OK, we have definite commitments from DD & Dylan plus me, for next week. Hopefully drake will be OK for that. DD can't play this week though.

	26-10-2004 06:15									#90
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I will be available this thurs - I thiink it would be good if someone posted a list of ALL the special rules in one post so we have a definitive reference point. Alot of things are suggested and some of them seem to become rules. I don't really care what the rules are I would just like a list of them.