18-09-2004 08:41									#31
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T40: 311 x 255 x 26.6 mm


X40: 268 x 211 x 23.8mm

	18-09-2004 08:45									#32
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How does the pricing compare? I would prefer to spend ~1k, but could go up to ~1.5k (which is how much I think the X31 is, I think I could get an Apple (which also could fulfill the needs for this machine) for 1k).

Jon Miller

	18-09-2004 08:48									#33
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Oh my. If your budget is 1K, don't go for the stuff I was talking about.

	18-09-2004 08:52									#34
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Well, I am prone to splurging. (I bought a 3k piano last year). And the range is 1-1.5k (which includes the low-end T series and X series).

One concern with the T series is that it is a bit larger (14 versus 12). Also, a plus for Apple is that it is cheaper, I think (haven't visited their website recently).

I could also consider someone else (like Toshiba?).

This is not meant to be my main computer. My main will have Raid-0 Raptors and a much faster processor with my 21" screen.

Jon Miller

	18-09-2004 09:33									#35
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For my computer, I was also thinking about $4000 for my computer. Does that change anything?

	18-09-2004 09:35									#36
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Build your own, and you can afford two top-end machines!

	18-09-2004 09:36									#37
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I'm not building my own.

	18-09-2004 09:39									#38
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get someone else to build it for you

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	18-09-2004 09:43									#39
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Let me put it this way. I don't know anyone who has the time, and is experienced in computers, and we are good friends. I'd just rather a company does it and checks it anyway.

	18-09-2004 10:07									#40
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Then buy it it! We won't stop you!

	18-09-2004 10:09									#41
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Which leads to what this thread is about, or at least sort of about, what is the best computer to buy for gaming.

	18-09-2004 10:12									#42
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http://www.voodoo.ca

I may be biased since I used to work for them.

But seriously, top-quality stuff. Usually rated higher than Alienware and Falcon Northwest.

Operates from Calgary.

	18-09-2004 10:15									#43
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http://www.voodoo.ca/systems/advanced.aspx?t=2&p=270

That one's only $5K CDN, $4K US with the default config.

This one is more reasonable: http://www.voodoo.ca/systems/advanced.aspx?t=1&p=260
$3.5K CDN, $2.7K US.

	18-09-2004 10:19									#44
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Those are nice computers.

Bit too pricey for my budget, especially considering my current machines do all I need them to.

	18-09-2004 11:44									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Asher http://www.voodoo.ca/systems/advanced.aspx?t=2&p=270 That one's only $5K CDN, $4K US with the default config.

I don't understand why its so damn expensive. For 5K, there's 512 meg of ram, a 80 gig hard drive, there's no monitor, no cd burner, no audio card, no speakers...

	18-09-2004 12:37									#46
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I recently built myself an Athlon64 3000+ with 512 MB Samsung RAM, 120GB SATA Samsung HDD, Enermax 350W Slient PSU, and an Asus K8V SE Deluxe (I hope I won't get the same crash Asher got). It's all in a nice yellow Dragon Case (DX-01) and cost me €600 (w/o graphics card, cause my GF4 TI4200 still plays games nicely).
For a descent graphics card I would have to shell out 200-300 Euros extra.
Currently I am planning on getting a GF6600 GT or ATI's similar solution (X700?), depending on which is better and quieter. I am waiting for HL2 Benches.

With a nice case building your own pc is quite a trivial task. The only thing that I was a little bit afraid of, was putting the CPU Cooler onto the CPU, because that required quite some force.

	18-09-2004 12:42									#47
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quote: With a nice case building your own pc is quite a trivial task. The only thing that I was a little bit afraid of, was putting the CPU Cooler onto the CPU, because that required quite some force.

You know, I've heard that from many people, but when I did it, it didn't seem that bad. Everything is working properly, so I'm wondering if I just got lucky, or if something else is going on.

Properly seating the memory sticks took a lot more force, by comparison.

	18-09-2004 20:02									#48
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo I don't understand why its so damn expensive. For 5K, there's 512 meg of ram, a 80 gig hard drive, there's no monitor, no cd burner, no audio card, no speakers...

Because they're designed for people with more money than sense.

It also comes with an overclocked Athlon 64 FX (~$1200 by itself) and overclocked video card, though. Not to mention a high-performance liquid cooling system.

	18-09-2004 22:25									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master So where do you recommend to get to your computers? (Major companies only)

Also, if I basically wanted to be able to play all the games out there, and a very powerful machine, what exactly would I need? An ATI X800, and a 3.6 GHz?

	18-09-2004 23:56									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master Also, if I basically wanted to be able to play all the games out there, and a very powerful machine, what exactly would I need? An ATI X800, and a 3.6 GHz?

Voodoo is a major company. It's comparable in size and reputation to Alienare and Falcon Northwest.

In all of the gaming magazines, it's usually Voodoo who wins the best rig awards.

	19-09-2004 00:08									#51
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But are all the systems Athlon?

	19-09-2004 00:10									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master But are all the systems Athlon?

They let you choose if you want an Intel or AMD system.

Why don't you look at the site...?

	19-09-2004 00:17									#53
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk You know, I've heard that from many people, but when I did it, it didn't seem that bad. Everything is working properly, so I'm wondering if I just got lucky, or if something else is going on. Properly seating the memory sticks took a lot more force, by comparison.

It wasn't bad for me too and it was the first PC I built. From now on I probably will build all of them on my own.

	19-09-2004 00:18									#54
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Building a PC is easier than anyone thinks.

As long as you can use a screwdriver, you're good.

	19-09-2004 00:18									#55
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I am. I see the only one with Intel is the Hexx.

	19-09-2004 00:21									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master I am. I see the only one with Intel is the Hexx.

Rage: http://www.voodoo.ca/systems/advanced.aspx?t=1&p=260

You can choose between AMD and Intel with Rage (the standard one), too.

	19-09-2004 00:25									#57
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I'd recommend building one. For 4 grand, I could build 5 PC's that kick ass. I know you might not want to Nuke Master, but trust me, you will learn valuable skills and save yourself a buttload of money if you build your own.

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And if something went wrong would I just lose the money? And, is it very complex?

(I've been a mac user all of my life, so my knowledge of PC's is small-ish)

	19-09-2004 00:43									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master And if something went wrong would I just lose the money? And, is it very complex? (I've been a mac user all of my life, so my knowledge of PC's is small-ish)

Each component has its own warranty, which varies in length.

And are you asking if building the PC complex?

It isn't really...most things can only fit in a certain way.

	19-09-2004 01:20									#60
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I'll never build myself a computer. I barely trust myself to install extra ram... I know someone who tried to install a new processor on his old computer. While doing so, he broke a pin on the processor. He's screwed...