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General Ludd is offline General Ludd
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Unless you need the absolute maximum speed that can be squeezed out of the computer, no, it isn't worth it. It's an enthusiasts PC.


An enthusiast's PC is one that they put together themselves.

Alienware is a wannabe enthusiast's PC.

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I don't understand why its so damn expensive. For 5K, there's 512 meg of ram, a 80 gig hard drive, there's no monitor, no cd burner, no audio card, no speakers...




For a bit under 2k I have 2 gigs RAM, 180 gig HD...

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Is the Hardrive fast? After looking at Apple's site, I see that the Apple I was looking at is not the cheap one (ibook) but the expensive one, so I will probably be looking at 1.5k + even if I go with Apple. Hmm, will look a bit longer (any other great laptops out there? smallness, reliability, and battery lifetime are most important).

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I own a Toshiba. No complaints so far. Toshiba's are cheap and reliable.

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Does anyone own an Alienware?

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Also, if I basically wanted to be able to play all the games out there, and a very powerful machine, what exactly would I need? An ATI X800, and a 3.6 GHz?


You don't need a 3.6 GHz CPU to play any of the games out there. That's just way overkill.

Get more memory and a top graphics cards.

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Is the Hardrive fast?


If you want a fast disk subsystem, go for Ultra320.

That's probably overkill for you, though.

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For less money and also great performance you can put 2 SATA or ATA drives ($200) into a raid-0 (most motherboards already include RAID controllers).

SCSI is dying. Some time ago I read an article on why google uses IDE instead of SCSI. They said that it was cheaper, even if you have to replace drives more often. And meanwhile with HDDs such as Western Digitals Raptor, there is SCSI perfomance and reliability available for IDE as well.

Beware of SATA though, Windows didn't want to install on my PC because I only have a SATA drive and it doesn't have the correct drivers. And because Windows is sooo advanced it only would accept these drivers on a floppy

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Uh, you don't get SCSI performance with IDE. For starters, there's a huge CPU overhead with IDE but almost none with SCSI. Ultra320 has a throughput of 320 MB/s. SATA theoretically has 150MB/s, but after removing the overhead and the initial problems, you will be lucky to get 100. Of course, you don't get 100MB/s with regular EIDE devices, either.

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And if something went wrong would I just lose the money? And, is it very complex?


like asher said everything has warranties. seriously, if you have 4k go buy one from alienware. it's stupid and a total ripoff but i'm sure you'll be happy. with 4k you could build 2+ kickass systems easily so even if you broke all the parts on your first try you could buy them all again. if you build it yourself you will end up with higher quality parts by being able to choose what you want and need. this will take some research and reading on your part though so if you are lazy or can't stand all the techno-mumbo-jumbo just buy one.

you can make a really good for pc for ~1k easily if you don't have to have all the fastest stuff(which is vastly overpriced in terms of how much quickier it really is). if you went for most preformance per dollar you'd probably end up with a 600-800 dollar system which would still be able to run all the games as the 4k alienware.

few links -
http://anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=2185&p=13 - anandtech's high end system summary which is ridiculous btw.

http://anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=2177&p=9 - anandtech's mid level system summary which is somewhat reasonable especially compared to high end.

http://anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=2177&p=9 - anandtech's low range system summary which is near the best value in terms of preformance for money spent. you'd need to upgrade video card, ram and cpu a bit on this system to make it a good gaming machine.

www.newegg.com - regarded as the best place to get parts if you go the build it yourself route

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with 4k you could build 2+ kickass systems easily so even if you broke all the parts on your first try you could buy them all again


Agreed. 4k really is staggeringly excessive for a personal computer system, even with the best components you can find. Hell, you can get yourself a server or two.

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He's used to buying Apple.

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He's used to buying Apple.



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But seriously, I think I need to buy a PC first, and learn more about them, before I start trying to build one.

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Got spare money?

just buy a cheap dell and do a few upgrade on it yourself. like adding in more ram and a better graphics card. dell's can be a really good deal if you do that as they have fairly good motherboards(usually, you should check), decent cases/power supply, good cpus, etc for a good price.

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yeah my mom and my sister each have a dell... I would classify it as reliable, quiet, and a perfect fit for their needs. It is lacking, however, in RAM and video card.

Speaking of video cards, I'm keeping my fingers crossed because I might be getting a Geforce FX 6800 Ultra 256 meg card for about $100.

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Would it help if I gave some specs of the computers I was looking at?

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sure, why not?

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Definitely a hot-rod of a computer, but really expensive.

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Why would you possibly waste that much money on a computer?

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Does anyone own an Alienware?


I do, 2nd week now. Love it. Expensive as hell, though...

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Hey, Nuke Master, if you want, I can build you a PC and you can buy it from me via paypal (or Ebay). I could build you one like the one you listed for far less than the cost.

As for software, I can put on anything you want (including games). It won't exactly be "legally purchased" however.

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I do, 2nd week now. Love it. Expensive as hell, though...



Ah, great! How is everything? Is the sound of the fan very loud? How was the procedure of actually purchasing it, and going through the phases?

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If I were to buy a computer, would someone "give" () me Microsoft Office, Virus protectors, etc.?

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You need to have EnerMax or Antec power supplies.

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Ah, great! How is everything? Is the sound of the fan very loud? How was the procedure of actually purchasing it, and going through the phases?


It's a notebook, so the noise is tolerable. I usually wear headphones anyway.

You go to the website, fill out the form, they bill you, assemble and ship it. I got three DHL coupons for service returns and a free T-Shirt . Which is what one should expect after being ripped off

 
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