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Ned is offline Ned
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I assume in the Nedaverse there are private, ad-financed channels that produce quality programming.


Why of course. Haven't you ever heard of CBS and their editorial leader, the impeccable, unbaised and always accurate, Dan Rather.

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We also have ABC, NBC and FOX as major networks that have their own news organizations. Then there is CNN, which more of a worldwide network.

What are you Brits afraid of? That CNN and FOX will replace the BBC?

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I assume in the Nedaverse there are private, ad-financed channels that produce quality programming.
I can name several non-state funded channels of the top of my head that fit that bill.

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Ad-financed ones, please. No HBO or PBS.

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BTW, the BBC isn't state-funded - it's directly linked to a separate tax system.

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Ned:
They should sell the BBC news portion to Rupert right

BBC is the best source for international news (only real english source on Africa), selling it could jeapordize this.

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I'm in favour of turning the BBC into a commercial channel. Their programming is just as terrible as everybody else's right now. I fail to see why they continue to deserve this special treatment.

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But Buck is right, the BBC is not state-funded. You don't have to pay a penny if you don't own a TV capable of receiving their channels. It's not as if they receive a percentage of the income tax revenue or anything.

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Ad-financed ones, please. No HBO or PBS.
I wasn't going to mention PBS anyway but I don't see why we should limit our consideration of private channels to only one form. Perhaps you could explain that view since it seems curious especially when we have a private american channel functioning quite well on the same system FP describes without goivernment support.

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Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
I assume in the Nedaverse there are private, ad-financed channels that produce quality programming.


I don't know about the Nedaverse, but here in the US there are.

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Oh I didn't really like BBC's regular content, Coupling was ok but that was about it.

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Despite my general dislike of the way the BBC is funded, I must admit that it's great to be able to watch the weekly football highlights (the only thing I watch on non-cable TV these days) without advert breaks.

Still, I'd rather have ads during Match of the Day and an extra 100 quid a year in my pocket than the other way around.

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I wasn't going to mention PBS anyway but I don't see why we should limit our consideration of private channels to only one form. Perhaps you could explain that view since it seems curious especially when we have a private american channel functioning quite well on the same system FP describes without goivernment support.


Certainly don't dispute that. The minute you bring in ad revenue, though, the quality runs downhill. And since all large-scale broadcasters are necessarily free-to-air... Do you really think it's a realistic alternative, from a potential investor's point of view, to turn two of the country's most-watched channels into voluntary subscription services?

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Actually it's cause I couldn't think of any other synonym for "true". I've done way too much philosophy at university.

there there.

I also taken intro to philosophy and such (though in highschool).

I can still talk normally, though.


In any case - your argument is not supported and is unfounded.

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Let me reassure you that we get plenty of coverage of suicide bomb attacks on Israeli civilians on the BBC. No attempt is made to cover that up or make heroes of the bomber.

Really?

Cause I remember I saw a program a year and a half ago, with Hamas and Fateh bomb-makers and it sure made them look heroic. It was on and on about how tough is their job, and what great evil IDF actions are, when they are simply trying to go on a peaceful daily life of blowing up Israelis.

Azazel saw that one too, I remember we commented about it in a thread.

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Whereas you yourself are possessed with the 100% insight of omnipresence coupled with a natural ability to discern "The Truth!" from your own crusading and unbiased media sources?

My media sources do much more to present the Palestinian point of view, than the BBC ever did to present the Israeli point of view.

And as of late, I do posses some form of omni-presence

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I get my news from many sources, and I don't think the BBC is on any sort of anti-Israel crusade.

While it is usually much more yellow and cheap, Sky news is usually much more fair, and attempts to present all sides, instead of singlehandedly passing judgement on Israeli actions.

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The cultural divide may account for much- in Britain right now the words "Arab militant" or "Arab fanatic" probably arouse far more fear and loathing than "terrorist".

The use of the word militant is not completely correct, as militants are those who take part in military action. Shooting at soldiers would be "militant". Bombing civilians is "terrorist".

And the fact that the brits are oh-so-clever and cynical to put the word "terrorism" to laughter does not say good things about them.

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Through watching the BBC, I think my nation's public are quite satisfied that among Hamas are wings that make the IRA look like Carmelite nuns.

Yes.
But through watching the BBC alot of your nation's public find it very easy to identify with Hamas "militants" and legitimize / condone their actions.

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I can hardly understand why you believe BBC progamming has "quality." To the extent we see the programming here (and we get it on cable) it is the most boring, putrid programming one could have the misfortune of finding. It's news might be better, as good as CBS, for example. But surely all this crap about "accuracy" and "bias" is just a bit much. Here in the US, we have openly partisan hacks as news anchors (Dan Rather) and we seem to survive.

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To the extent we see the programming here (and we get it on cable) it is the most boring, putrid programming one could have the misfortune of finding.


Snap!

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And the fact that the brits are oh-so-clever and cynical to put the word "terrorism" to laughter does not say good things about them.


Excellent. So we've moved on from criticising media channels to taking pot-shots at nations in general, have we?

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But through watching the BBC alot of your nation's public find it very easy to identify with Hamas "militants" and legitimize / condone their actions.


HELLO SIROTNIKOV! ARE YOU STILL IN CONTACT WITH PLANET EARTH! Anti-Arab feeling is rife in Britain right now. This is starting to look like paranoid ranting.

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The BBC writes many thousands of articles a year. If someone wants to waste their time and find a small portion of Israel articles that explicitly mention Israel and a small portion of Iraq articles that don't mention Iraq, then they can go ahead and do that, but it doesn't prove more than that they're hacks.

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Er... The BBC is a paragon of goose-step pro-Israel reporting compared to most Swedish media. Here the idea is to show the true picture, namely that Israel is a fascist oppressor of the palestinian people, which is the only version of events that has any verisimilitude.


Keep telling yourself that.

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I assume in the Nedaverse there are private, ad-financed channels that produce quality programming.


I suppose in your universe, there are not.

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Why don't you Brits simply sell the BBC to the highest bidder?


Probably because they like having the best media in the world.

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I'd rather pay £121/yr than have adverts on BBC1/2/3/4/N24 and Radios 1/2/3/4/5 (+digital ones). Programming everywhere is 80% bollocks at the moment, maybe the BBC isn't any different. So what? I'd still rather have a media source that wasn't funded by corporate and government interests.

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Immortal Wombat, we too have publicly financed TV called PBS. It produces the same sort of unwatchable high-brow crap as does the BBC. Guess where its ratings are compared to everything else on TV?

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It produces the same sort of unwatchable high-brow crap

Ned, the People's Advocate!

May Lenin Himself aid you in your effort to strike down unwatchable high-brow crap spewed by the borguoisie. All programming should be made for 3 year olds if it is to be run in these glorious Soviet States of America. May the counterrevolutionary "intellectuals" rot in hell for their crimes of thought.

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It produces the same sort of unwatchable high-brow crap as does the BBC.


"high brow"

Either you've never actually seen any BBC programming or you're a total moron. BBC programming is just as low-brow as everything else. It's endless reality documentaries, game shows, soap operas, celebrity chefs and makeover shows with a tiny bit of news and mediocre comedy thrown in.

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Er... The BBC is a paragon of goose-step pro-Israel reporting compared to most Swedish media. Here the idea is to show the true picture, namely that Israel is a fascist oppressor of the palestinian people, which is the only version of events that has any verisimilitude.


I'll add that to my list of reasons to move to Sweden.

Of course, #1 is Swedish women.

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The coalition forces, although claiming to be defending the security of their own countries, singularly failed to convince popular opinion that Iraq posed a real threat. By contrast popular opinion clearly accepts that the Israeli army is defending its civilian population from a very real threat which does constantly claim Israeli lives[1]. This difference between the two conflicts, if it affected an impartial news provider at all, would logically tend to result in Israel receiving a more sympathetic coverage than did the coalition forces. The opposite is in fact the case.




This is one of the opening paragraphs. Does it improve from that, or is it bullshit all the way?


ditto

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I've tried to find a Beeb article referring to the IRA as terrorists, and I can't find one. I guess they hate the English/Prots.

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I'll add that to my list of reasons to move to Sweden.

Of course, #1 is Swedish women.


That smart statement of yours exposes you as a biggot

Obviously hatred towards Israel is high on the list of criterias when you look for a place to call home.

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At least it's below "Gorgeous tall blondes" on his list of criterias, so it's not like he's totally inhuman.

 
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