15-10-2004 22:49									#121
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darn it! you guys are making me want to buy this game stop it, can we ask a moderator to ban all Sim threads? please.....i might not be able to resist

although i'm really enjoying the screenshots and comments

help! help! Dr.Spike where are you! say something withering about the sims quick.



Edit: i just checked Metacritic, it gives it a score of 90 out of 100, from 43 reviews! thats a very good game

	15-10-2004 23:03									#122
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Diss has fallen to the dark side.

	16-10-2004 00:29									#123
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yes I have. I'm not sure how much play time I'll get out of this game. I figure about 50 hours. That's really not too bad for a game. Too many games I've only gotten about 1 hour of playtime from .

	16-10-2004 00:40									#124
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I couldn't find any info on it, but anyone heard if it might come to xbox? The specs could just about handle it and i think i'd rather go for Sims2 than the older titles - its looking like an interesting game

	16-10-2004 05:25									#125
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I've posted a Basement guide with lots of pictures.

	16-10-2004 09:29									#126
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I'm doing a lot better now. I guess starting as a bachelor alone in a house, while purchasing your own lot and building your own home is difficult.

The problem is you start with all your skills at 0 and begin aging in adulthood.

It's going to be very difficult to max out in my career. I only have 9 days left until I'm an old geezer.

But I'm doing much better today than yesterday. Except I forgot to save my game all day for about 4 hours of play and my game crashed . I was pissed. Especially since I got those texts while you are working that allows you to jump ahead 2 or 3 promotions if you happen to have good luck on the random chance. When I reloaded that didn't happen . I'm only a science teacher now . With 9 days to go.

My only hope is my child can do better. But she's a girl. And I do want grandkids. I could have another kid, but 1 is a handfull . I guess I could have her husband stay at home with the kids. As it seems breast feeding is not part of this game. It doesnt' matter who teaches the kid I suppose.

I had my wife quit her job. She still has to teach the kid to go potty and walk. No time for work. It's hard juggling a baby and getting any sleep.

	16-10-2004 09:31									#127
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One more question. My baby just turned into a toddler. But I can't seem to find anything for her to sleep on. I have a crib, but that doesn't seem to work. I also bought a regular bed, but that doesn't seem to work either. Is there some menu I'm missing?

What do toddlers sleep on? How do you control the damn things?

You can tell I've never had kids

	16-10-2004 09:44									#128
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Toddlers sleep in the crib (or the floor, if you like to neglect them). Bear in mind you cannot order Toddlers around much, you need to get an adult to put them in the crib. As the toddler learns to talk etc they can be given more implicit orders.

quote: I had my wife quit her job. She still has to teach the kid to go potty and walk. No time for work. It's hard juggling a baby and getting any sleep.

I so agree, my Sims never get a full nights sleep when they are looking after babies/toddlers.

Btw in my limited experience it does seem to matter who teaches the child. Because my male sims are knowledge types, they naturally want to teach children, so I let them do that, while their romance wife does other things. The kids seem to end up much closer stat-wise to their dad than mum, this may be a co-incidence but I like to think it's because their daddy (or in one case, mummy) taught them everything they know.
Ofcourse it still doesn't really matter, but it does seem to make a difference.

And yes, Sims starting as Adults will live shorter, less fullfilled lives than those raised from babies.

	16-10-2004 14:42									#129
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One thing I would like to try is to have 2 adults and 6 babies, when they first move in, and see if I can manage it

	16-10-2004 15:56									#130
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Self-sadist...

	16-10-2004 16:01									#131
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The game should be challenging also

	16-10-2004 16:15									#132
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Well, everything has a border, if you see what I mean...

	16-10-2004 20:07									#133
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I just started the "torture campaign", not quite as I said, but still...
First I have the couple Carl (who wears a viking helmet and farmer clothes ) and Celine... they both got a job in law enforcement
The first thing they did when they arrived at their new home was "trying to get a child" and apparently it worked, so now a new one is on the way... as soon as that one arrives, they'll try again...and again and again... until they have 6 kids

	17-10-2004 03:45									#134
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With my first family aspiration experience (my Crazy Uncle character married Brandi Broke) after one child, her aspiration was HAVE 10 CHILDREN! However after a while it went away, then a bit later she got the fear "Have a baby" that NEVER went away

Family Aspiration types are so hard to satisfy, it's not bad if they have a constant stream of new babies to raise - but thats pretty hard on the player, and the Sim! They are definitely the most work, altough possibly also the most rewarding.

I tried a solo Fortune sim, and found Fortune to be pretty easy, because they nearly always get AP for gaining the skills required for the next level of the job, so you can get on a roll. But they enter a serious rutt if they lose their job, when they don't need to gain new skill points or friends all they want to do is buy expensive crap like paintings, and they can't buy those because their income sucks because they can't get Platinum mood for lots of promotions!

Popularity is good for the Friends-whore in the family, not really for career types.

Knowledge is always good, because Knowledge types get AP for learning skills regardless of whether they need them for the job or not. They also love stargaze. Just a pity they are so obsessed with Ghosts and being saved from death - it's unhealthy I tell you! (however if you have ghosts, then being obsessed with Ghots is a good thing)

But ofcourse Romance is the easiest, all they want is Woohoo, Woohoo in Bed, Woohoo in Hottub and Woohoo with Sim. Maybe a bit of Public Woohoo and Woohoo with 3 different Sims and Public Woohoo with 3 different Sims. Romance? Pfffft

	17-10-2004 04:21									#135
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what's AP?

and yes my guy (modelled after me) is a knowledge type. I get those damn ghost things all the time. How can I get a ghost. I guess I can move someone in and kill them. But that's no fun. My first run through I'm playing a nice guy. Maybe later I'll be sadistic- but it won't be to the sim modelled after me. I'll create a new family for that.

It's annoying because my wife wants to woohoo with 3 different sims, and flirt with other guys. I never let her of course. whore

That reminds me. How much do you guys control your sims? I still micromanage them like I did in Sims 1. I rarely let them go on their own free will. Although I suppose I can with my wife now she quit her job. Hopefully she's smart enough to take care of the kid. This is why I find the game challengin enough and not too easy. Because I control everything- even if that means pausing the game to reassign order. And I have 5 of those money trees I have to harvest every 8 hours. I'm not sure if it's worth it for an extra $200.

I ask if it's worth it because I have a decent amount of money. but really nothing to spend it on. I could build a bigger house, but what's the point? Smaller houses are more efficient. I can't imagine how long it would take to get to work in a 4 story house. I often let the car pool wait outside for 50 or 55 minutes before I get in. That's valuabe time I could use for something else. And I don't have time to waste it going down stairs.

	17-10-2004 04:25									#136
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And about toddlers. I didn't realize you still can't assign them orders. Because I can actually click on them now (unlike babies). He's tired, but I can't get an action command for the crib. I guess I'll try to have my other sims put him to bed.

And how do you train your kids? are there commands in the talking menu for that?

I don't have any time to play today though . I have homework to be doing. In fact, I shouldn't even be posting here. And I have to do laundry, and get halloween decorations up... And with school, I won't get a chance to play until Wednesday. But I'm happy with my choice so far. I should get at least 50 hours of play, and that is my goal in a game. To at least get that much. Something I did not do with doom3- I shouldn't have bought into the hype. But I did buy into the hype with this game.

	17-10-2004 09:21									#137
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AP = Aspiration Points

quote: It's annoying because my wife wants to woohoo with 3 different sims, and flirt with other guys. I never let her of course. whore

Lol thats the story of my Romantic Sims lives. And it's kinda lame that despite never letting them out the house they STILL end up with the best aspiration. They should be called horny sex kittens or something.

quote: That reminds me. How much do you guys control your sims? I still micromanage them like I did in Sims 1. I rarely let them go on their own free will. Although I suppose I can with my wife now she quit her job. Hopefully she's smart enough to take care of the kid. This is why I find the game challengin enough and not too easy. Because I control everything- even if that means pausing the game to reassign order. And I have 5 of those money trees I have to harvest every 8 hours. I'm not sure if it's worth it for an extra $200.

I tend to micromanage my Sims a lot to get them into platinum mood before going to work.

Money trees are more trouble than their worth, IMHO smart hats, energizers, smart milk, and the love tub are the best things to spend AP on. Better to spend that time getting them platinum mood for a promotion then harvesting chumps change from the tree (and you have to water the stupid things).

quote: I ask if it's worth it because I have a decent amount of money. but really nothing to spend it on. I could build a bigger house, but what's the point? Smaller houses are more efficient.

Well if you have a decent amount of money then you need a Fortune Sim . I've never really ended up with too much money, I build "sprawl" houses mostly, with plenty of space to avoid traffic jams, all 2-wide doors, that sort of stuff. You need a lot of space for career awards and all that other junk too. Depends how big your current lot is ofcourse.

But what I mostly spend my money on is getting the very best stuff. You definitely need best bed, best tub & shower, best kitchen stuff and atleast one form of "+10" entertainment... then you can start getting the more frivilous stuff like the best toilet.

Toddler Training:
Usually you click the adult, then the options are on the toddler, Teach to Talk/Walk. To Potty Train select an adult then click on the potty and it'll be one of the options. Also thats how you use the diaper changer thing. Toddlers can be ordered to move, and you can order them to use certain things like toys and the potty (once trained). And toddlers can also beg adults for food/attention, not a bad way to get visiters to do some work.


I'm playing this family, comprised of two adults, the Man being Family, the Woman being Popularity. They had thier first baby, so I ordered another - and then the wife had TWINS! This gives me one toddler and two babies to look after (I'm going to get them all into private school, or atleast be overacheivers), as well as getting both adults to the top of their careers and make some more babies! Also the house is about the cheapest two-story house in Pleasentville, I'm going to stick with the tiny block and expand the house as a bit of a challenge. Might need to try multiple stairs and see if that helps the "bandwidth" problem.

	17-10-2004 14:35									#138
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Man 3 children are such a handful to manage, reached military general with one parent but thats a suck job so I changed straight to Superstar for more promotion pay (I like how you can find high level jobs now). The good bit is I should be able to max out atleast 1 skill for each child before they become teenagers. If I max out creativity for two of them then I can set up a nice child-labor painting racket and make some money , but getting their homework done and their jobs is going to be a challenge, and to think with my first family the teenage daughter could barely manage her homework . The house needs to be redesigned because it's nearly impossible to get the family down the stairs in time for school. Damn stairs. Tempted to just buy a bigger place and build my usual sprawl.

	17-10-2004 17:23									#139
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Am I the only one whos paintings keeps dissapearing? Last time I played (yesterday) I had a painting (still painting, not pre-made) hanging on the wall in the bed-room, but today it's gone... I know I didn't sell it, and I know I didn't exit without saving or anything like that...

It's happened at least twice...

	17-10-2004 20:53									#140
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And how do you get twins? I haven't been able to yet

	18-10-2004 07:45									#141
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Twins are just random chance I guess.

So far in all my playing my Sims have had 6 pregnancys, 1 of which was twins. I would guess that puts the probability somewhere between 1 in 5 and 1 in 15. Another possible factor is that this was the second pregnancy for this sim.

I had a painting disappear once, like I clicked to move it, and it vanished without a trace.

	18-10-2004 08:34									#142
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and what's the deal with the people stealing the garden gnomes? I've had a few disappear. And sometimes my sims get an action window that pops up saying to steal back garden gnome (though they don't actually seem to do it)

	23-10-2004 05:57									#143
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still playing. I think I'm one level below the top scientist position. I had to drink some of that elixer of life before I ran out of time and became an elder.

But it's difficult getting my skills up. I have 2 vacation days, I'm going to need them. I still have to get my cooking up 2 more. and my cleaning up 1 more. and make 4 more friends.

And I have twins in the house. they are a handful. My other toddler is now a teenager. funny I never did finish potty training her. Once she becomes a kid she doesn't have to potty train I guess. I guess none of those things matter, it's just for those ambition achievment things I guess. And now my twins are toddlers. It's hell keeping up with them. I hired a maid, but it's still a pain.

I just want to get that top scientist position.

I must say, that maid outfit that chick wears is pretty damn hot.

	23-10-2004 08:16									#144
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Heh. I've been playing around a bit more. With my latest family I did move them out of the small house and built a sprawl with a nice, big basement. Big enough to fit a pool if I'm that way inclined. The adults grew old too fast, so I gave them each about 7 drinks of elixer to add 21 days to their adult lives, about doubled. It was long enough so that they were just retiring as their kids became adults, this seemed good considering they started having kids from pretty much day 1.

The Kids all have good careers.
The eldest, is a Criminal Mastermind. She is also a talented artist and has sold a great novel and several great paintings (however she didn't paint most of them , still gets the Aspiration!). So I'm having fun with popularity, I didn't know that Popularity can be VERY fullfilled with no friends at all, just by getting lvl10 creative and being a great artist!
So she writes great Crime Novels, that happen to be true


Beware H4xx0rs

Then the boy-twin became a medical doctor, I think he's disatisfied with his life, so I'm going to move him into into the Bunker of Mad Science on The Hill Where they will Adopt Toddlers then Kill Them to get Some Ghosts. He did get into some teenage relationships while I wasn't paying attention.


Hi little bro, don't let your sister catch you making out with her Girlfriend

The girl-Twin became a Lesbian and pursued a career as a Cook. She has made out with 3 different Sims (one the Woman that delivers the bills). No woohoo yet, I think that Gay sims need a better relationship for that. Her career and skills are behind the others, thats the price of having lesbian relationships. One day she is going to host a TV show called "The Gay Cook" or something

One day I noticed my Sim using the telescope, and spying on Mortimer. I ran my Sim into the basement but Mortimer tracked her down into the basement. Something snapped, and magically a green picket fence sprung up, entrapping Mortimer.

For a few days muffled moans emanated from the Dungeon.


Bet Mortimer wishes he learnt to use the computer now.

Mortimers Gravestone now graces the beach of my waterfeature. Sometimes Sims look at it and shrug. I wonder if a messy, grouchy Sim will pee on the grave of someone they hate I know they pee in the shower and on bushes and stuff.

	24-10-2004 03:55									#145
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also I learned what happens when you try to have sex with your kids in the room . Yes I'm a sick bastard. They force the kid out, but you can just walk the kid right back in when they start. twisted.

	24-10-2004 04:43									#146
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You sick, sick bastard!

	24-10-2004 14:02									#147
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In light of this new evidence I demand the Sims2 to be banned immediately!

	24-10-2004 14:14									#148
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I'm worried that Diss even tried that sort of thing.

	25-10-2004 04:38									#149
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maybe I shouldn't have posted that

actually this is my good family, I shouldn't have been messing around.

I haven't even touched the evil portion of this game yet. I'm still going to go all the way to having grandchildren. after that I'll probably start another family.

My daughter is a teen. There sure are a lot of teen years. doesn't seem proportional to the number of adult years...

I want her to do well. making money is her- what do you call it? Life's goal or whatever. She's going into a business career. **** men, this girls going all the way to the top. My other daughter I'll probably pick romance, and she will bear some grandchildren. As for my son, I may choose sports, and have him be a sports star.

	26-10-2004 16:21									#150
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At times i kinda regret killing Mortimer, because he spooks around the place stealing my Sims food and making them sick But it's all worth it to see him leap out of a painting a Sim is working on

The massive news is that I finally worked out how to change the Sims outfit! Remarkably, it involves going to a clothes store and buying new clothes! Wow! No more hand-me-downs for my Sims.

I'm playing an Artist Sim atm, no job, just full time painting and novel writing. The income is pretty good, soon I'll be able to afford walls for my toilet . Just kidding, he currentely has a 1 room house with the toilet, shower and double bed all outside, he also has 17K in cash, I think he makes about $800 a day.
He is "WooHoo friends" with the Criminal Mastermind daughter from my earlier family, he has WooHoo with her every night to help him sleep, and take care of social.

I've also been having some fun with the Body Shop