22-09-2004 09:51									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo NO YOU HAVEN'T. YOU DON'T HAVE AN ALTERNATE PLAN. There is NO alternate plan. You either accept what is on the table or you keep screaming insanities. Kerry's "plan" is the receipe for disaster and would result in the deaths of tens of thousands US soldiers, the deaths of hundred of thousands of Iraqis who will due in the impending civil war of a pull out, and a total destruction of the middle east.

quote: Kerry flip flopped when he voted to support the war and now says he'd vote against it.

Go get the exact quote of what he said please.

	22-09-2004 09:51									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker I could care less about the Democratic Party, you know, since I"m not a Democrat. Sometimes you need to figure out exactly who you are actually talking to before attempting to make a point.

Ah yes, you are a member of the CPUSA. Sad. I always knew you were a mole.

And no, you need to know who you are talking with. I have a far more open mind then you. But I'm right in this regards. You either support the Allawi and Bush governments or you support massacres and a bloody civil war.

	22-09-2004 09:54									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Ah yes, you are a member of the CPUSA. Sad. I always knew you were a mole.

Not even close, son. Please do your homework next time.

quote: I have a far more open mind then you. But I'm right in this regards. You either support the Allawi and Bush governments or you support massacres and a bloody civil war.

	22-09-2004 09:54									#34
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Actually IF you support Allawi and Bush then you support massacres and a bloody civil war .

	22-09-2004 09:55									#35
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ohhhhhhhhh

pwn3d

well done Siddiqui

	22-09-2004 09:55									#36
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Massacres

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Actually IF you support Allawi and Bush then you support massacres and a bloody civil war .

NOPE! You either support civilized governments, or you support terrorism.

"Not even close, son. Please do your homework next time."

Green party?

	22-09-2004 09:57									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Massacres

	22-09-2004 10:00									#39
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quote: You either support civilized governments, or you support terrorism.

In that case you can't support the Bush administration. It is anything but 'civilized'.

	22-09-2004 10:01									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: You either support civilized governments, or you support terrorism. In that case you can't support the Bush administration. It is anything but 'civilized'.

Actually I can't support anything but Bush. Because the Bush adminstration is the most civil government out there because it supported the liberation of Iraq. You are for the murder of thousands of Iraqis.

	22-09-2004 10:01									#41
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Come on, he is more open minded than you Imran.


Everyone who is open minded knows they are right and you are either with us or against us.

	22-09-2004 10:03									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Actually I can't support anything but Bush. Because the Bush adminstration is the most civil government out there because it supported the liberation of Iraq. You are for the murder of thousands of Iraqis.

Yeah, they are so civilized they put out memos endorsing torture.


Then when actual photos proving torture show up, they try and cover it up.

	22-09-2004 10:03									#43
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Okay whatever boys, I got other things to do. I have a date tonight. Maybe you could come to a realization of what a social life is.... sometime in the next decade...

	22-09-2004 10:03									#44
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Are you going to take it up the pooper?

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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Yeah, they are so civilized they put out memos endorsing torture. Then when actual photos proving torture show up, they try and cover it up.

You don't know a single thing about what you are talking about. Anyways, I'm off... later.

	22-09-2004 10:04									#46
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Make sure you wear a jimmy sack.

	22-09-2004 10:04									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Are you going to take it up the pooper?

WTF? I'm top.

And not to mention, this is just a date with a guy I've been seeing for quite somes time.

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Yeah right.

You know you are bottom full time.

	22-09-2004 10:05									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Yeah right. You know you are bottom full time.

Ask Glonkie.

Okay you win.

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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Yep. That WaPo article completely ignores the significance of the speech

Considering the fact it was quite obviously written before the speech, that's hardly suprising. However it hardly invalidates the point.

quote: There's no flipflopping, because dumbasses like Shrum have been preventing Kerry from actually articulating an opinion on the matter before.

That's the biggest pile of bullshit since the Iraq buying yellowcake rumor. He's taken at least 4 by my count based on how the political winds were flowing at the time.

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quote: Because the Bush adminstration is the most civil government out there because it supported the liberation of Iraq. You are for the murder of thousands of Iraqis.

Weren't a thousand Iraqis murdered in the imperial conquest of Iraq?

(I love getting a rise out of Fez)

	22-09-2004 10:09									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Ask Glonkie. Okay you win.

I always win. Punk.


Now make sure you wear a jimmy sack so I don't have to call your momma about it.

	22-09-2004 10:09									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Because the Bush adminstration is the most civil government out there because it supported the liberation of Iraq. You are for the murder of thousands of Iraqis. Weren't a thousand Iraqis murdered in the imperial conquest of Iraq? (I love getting a rise out of Fez)

Blah blah blah blah... blah blah blah..

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quote: However it hardly invalidates the point.

No, it doesn't. The relevant issue is not whether or not Iraq should be invaded, it's what to do now. Last I checked, Kerry doesn't have a time machine laying around.

quote: That's the biggest pile of bullshit since the Iraq buying yellowcake rumor. He's taken at least 4 by my count based on how the political winds were flowing at the time.

No. He's until now pretty much ignored the specifics of occupation policy.

	22-09-2004 10:10									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker I always win. Punk. Now make sure you wear a jimmy sack so I don't have to call your momma about it.

I always have my partner wear protection, dude. and another thing is I don't do it that often with my guy. Almost not at all. It just isn't a turn on. Now enough about my personal life, and back to the sack of crap that came out of Kerry's mouth.

	22-09-2004 10:12									#56
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I have yet to see any specifics about Kerry's flip flopping.

It's just tossed around as a generalization.

Probably because they don't have any real dirt on the guy.

	22-09-2004 10:13									#57
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quote: I always win. Punk.

Ted Striker

	22-09-2004 10:23									#58
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For me,
If Kerry even has a plan is only a bonus.
It seems that the current administration either does not have a plan or the one they have is not working. That means that the current administration needs to be replaced. The only remaining choice is Kerry. If Kucinich or Mccain or anyone else were running they would also get my vote before I could vote for the current admininstration.
This issue is to serious for party politics and useless propaganda. I'm basing my vote solely on the Iraq situation. The one were lives are at stake.

The stated reason for the invasion of iraq was the removal of weapons of mass destruction. The whole world was assured that Iraq had them and this was the case against Iraq. No WEAPONS were found. That means the case for war goes out the window. Liberation of Iraq is bullshit. Apparently, the Iraqi's don't like the U.S. brand of liberation or it's not liberation. Either way B.S.

If Kerry wanted to send home all U.S. troops leaving Iraq in chaos fine by me.

If Kerry wants to increase U.S. involvement in Iraq to crush the Iraqi will to resist liberation fine by me.

Just do it in an honest, smart, forthright way that wil end the current situation.

Lastly, it's irksome to tie support of the U.S. with support for Iraq. Iraq is not the 51st state an americans owe no allegiance to Iraq, there people, or the Iraqi government. The U.S. armed forces do not swear an oath to protect them or any country other than the U.S.

	22-09-2004 10:26									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker I have yet to see any specifics about Kerry's flip flopping.

Then your not looking.

	22-09-2004 10:30									#60
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Well show me then.