15-10-2004 14:32									#241
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I think the Fog of War affects the Spawn of Rebels.
I have some small Provinces with 2 Watchtowers and Rebels never spawn there (Instead the Spawn near my Capital ;=) )

Raise taxes; raise Trade (ports); capture smaller settlements and let them pay for your big Production Centre's ?

	15-10-2004 17:39									#242
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Your largest cities are vastly in the negative, because the running costs of your armies are deducted from each city's turnly income relative to the size of the city. So your biggest city may be churning out 4000 of profit a day without your armies, but with the running costs it'll go down to -2000.

Barring disbanding most of your troops, there's nothing you can do about that - but since your smaller cities will in comparison be making hordes of cash, you need only worry about the finances sheet in the faction summary window, and just ignore the income of a single city when you start to have lots of them.

	15-10-2004 19:57									#243
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What are some good strategies for playing the Carthaginians?

It seems like you start off pretty weak. So my first thought was to conquer the coastline (Numidians, Egyptians etc) but then I was spread out too tin when the Romans came knocking on Carthage's front gate. So, I thought it might be better to confront the Romans right away but you don't seem to have enough armies to confront the italian mainland right away. So I guess you need to slowly secure the mediterrean areas, secure the shipping lanes and grow your power until you can confront the Romans directly?

	15-10-2004 20:04									#244
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How about the Iberian peninsula? Historically the Carthagenians advanced there and from there they took on the Romans, IIRC. Coastal cities are good with all that sea trade, yes.

	16-10-2004 01:04									#245
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As Carthaginians, try to take all of sicily quickly. Scipii only have 2 cities so it will hurt them badly. You will also probably lose Sardinia to the Julii and Cordoba to the Iberians/gauls. Leave them alone, and go for the numidians who will hit you from behind sooner or later anyway.

When you finally land in Italy, have a spy with you. The Senate likes to leave their two or three full stacks in the open and only garrison Rome with two ot three cavalry units. With a Spy you can assault the city in one turn and reap mad cash from all the looting, not to mention cutting off the snake's head and leaving a few stacks of roman rebels for the Julii to deal with.

	16-10-2004 04:36									#246
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If you can take out the Scipii (or hurt them severly) in the early part of the game then that might make you life easier, as the Scipii are the Romans that concentrate on the Carthaginians, as the Julii concentrate on Gaul and the Brutii concentrate on Greece.

Possibly try to get a alliance with Spain as once they come into conflict with the Julii you can help them without opening up your own territories for attacks.


I was wondering another thing. What happens if I decided to attack another of the Roman factions before I'm outlawed? I suppose I get outlawed but if not it might be prudent to take on one of the Roman factions at some point prior to your outlawing?

	16-10-2004 04:39									#247
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You get outlawed the moment you declare war/attack a Roman faction, be it the Senate or any one of the two other houses.

	16-10-2004 08:20									#248
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia You get outlawed the moment you declare war/attack a Roman faction, be it the Senate or any one of the two other houses.

Thus become a Rebel Leader yourself

	16-10-2004 11:11									#249
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Blast. Well I suppose you could make life harder for them by supplementing their enemies treasuries and so on. Generally by being a ***** to them diplomatically.

	16-10-2004 15:12									#250
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll Thus become a Rebel Leader yourself

No, "outlawed" just means that all of the Romans are in war with you. AFAIK as long as SPQR stands, it's not possible to sign peace with the other Roman factions.

	16-10-2004 18:22									#251
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia No, "outlawed" just means that all of the Romans are in war with you. AFAIK as long as SPQR stands, it's not possible to sign peace with the other Roman factions.

Ok, thanks

	17-10-2004 02:56									#252
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Combine this:
Barbarian Faction cannot build Real Siege Equipment.
+ Roman Factions in Italy will rush to lift a Siege on Rome
+ Best Distance Unit: Elite Bowmen
+ Best Siege Equiment: Ramming Support
+ Romans pouring Oil on it

How are my chances vs Senatus Populusque Romanum ?

	17-10-2004 03:05									#253
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I'd try to overwhelm with numbers, attach your best general and autoresolve it. I find that by autoresolving, as long as you have at least one ram and enough units, you'll win. Sieges can be a pain in the neck.

	17-10-2004 17:41									#254
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quote: Originally posted by Main_Brain Combine this: Barbarian Faction cannot build Real Siege Equipment. + Roman Factions in Italy will rush to lift a Siege on Rome + Best Distance Unit: Elite Bowmen + Best Siege Equiment: Ramming Support + Romans pouring Oil on it How are my chances vs Senatus Populusque Romanum ?

Use the ram as a distraction. Take the walls, you dont need the gate. Once you have a piece of the wall its tower works for you. Repeat as necessary. The gate and its oil works the same way. Try retreating some troops through the gate, if they follow they'll become 'crispy critters'.

	17-10-2004 17:44									#255
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Of course, the gate must be in your possession. But I agree, a good strat is to go up to an empty slab of wall and start fighting on the walls themselves. The AI usually places its archers on the walls, so even your barbarians should be able to kick their collective butts.

	17-10-2004 18:45									#256
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Use the ram as a distraction. Take the walls, you dont need the gate. Once you have a piece of the wall its tower works for you. Repeat as necessary. The gate and its oil works the same way. Try retreating some troops through the gate, if they follow they'll become 'crispy critters'.

very good bit of information

Thanks

	18-10-2004 00:49									#257
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I hardly ever assault the gate of the stone walls and up. I usually use 2-3 onagers to break the wall and to silence the towers I dont want and, and one tower to take the walls and towers that I do want.

	18-10-2004 01:23									#258
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Is there any way I can eliminate the enemy diplomats running around, beyond bribing them by other diplo's? I'm tired of them occassionally bribing my armies and units.

	18-10-2004 01:44									#259
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH I hardly ever assault the gate of the stone walls and up. I usually use 2-3 onagers to break the wall and to silence the towers I dont want and, and one tower to take the walls and towers that I do want.

Great information SpencerH..keep it coming

	18-10-2004 03:28									#260
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH I hardly ever assault the gate of the stone walls and up. I usually use 2-3 onagers to break the wall and to silence the towers I dont want and, and one tower to take the walls and towers that I do want.

What if all you have are rams and siege ladders?

By the way, how do sap points work?

Speaking of sieges, I hate the AI. I am attacking Syracuse as the Carthaginians. I have 2 armies, one with about 1000 men under my control and another army of 2000 under AI control. (Yeah, yeah, I know I should have controlled the army with 2000 before starting the assault). Anyway, the enemy sallies to meet my forces. I defeat the enemy army and the survivors run back into the city. Then my AI reinforcements arrive. And the idiotic AI assaults the city with no siege equipment at all. The entire army of 2000 just pretty much stands near the walls and does nothing while the enemy towers rain destruction down. I frickin lose the like 90% of the army before the timer runs out. If the AI had just waited, I would have had both armies to lay siege the next turn but instead I lose almost the entire army when I did not have to. Stupid AI! Argh!

	18-10-2004 05:00									#261
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move a unit to the sap point and they start burrowing to a portion of the city wall, which they destroy.

	18-10-2004 05:01									#262
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel Is there any way I can eliminate the enemy diplomats running around, beyond bribing them by other diplo's? I'm tired of them occassionally bribing my armies and units.

Assassins.

	18-10-2004 05:11									#263
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Assassins.

Until then, anything else? Does keeping either a diplomat or a spy in your army help matters?

I just had a decent sized army flip

	18-10-2004 05:21									#264
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I lost an army with a family member too to the gauls, ***** traitor

I´m playing the Realism Mod 2.2 now, it´s a lot harder than the normal game, the war goes bad against them, if it wasn´t for SPQRs army I would have lost my capital Arretium

	18-10-2004 05:29									#265
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Are non-family generals more susceptible to being traitors?

hmm...

	18-10-2004 05:32									#266
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Yes, very much so. Try to use family members, especially those with traits that increase the bribing cost.

	19-10-2004 18:54									#267
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quote: Originally posted by Unspeakable Horror I´m playing the Realism Mod 2.2 now, it´s a lot harder than the normal game, the war goes bad against them, if it wasn´t for SPQRs army I would have lost my capital Arretium

Yes - the Realism mod is excellent.

First battle as the Julii vs. the Gauls I tried my same old vanilla game tactics. Result was my army routed and my faction leader was killed. It was the best loss I ever had in a game - totally expecting an easy victory only to get slaughtered due to my over-confidence.

	19-10-2004 21:54									#268
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel Until then, anything else? Does keeping either a diplomat or a spy in your army help matters? I just had a decent sized army flip

I'm pretty sure that keeping an assasin in your army helps reduce them being bribed. I do this all the time and haven't lost an army commanded by a captain to bribery yet.

	19-10-2004 22:16									#269
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Playing the Brutii is a real culture shock after the Scipii and Julii. Now its me with 500,000 talents in the bank bribing any enemy army I can't be bothered to fight. Temples that increase trade are marvellous

	20-10-2004 02:34									#270
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quote: Originally posted by Grumbold Playing the Brutii is a real culture shock after the Scipii and Julii. Now its me with 500,000 talents in the bank bribing any enemy army I can't be bothered to fight. Temples that increase trade are marvellous

Thanks for the hint and insight..bribery .. thats the ticket