29-09-2004 00:35									#181
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Then what the hell do you believe?

	29-09-2004 00:49									#183
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I will not drop it. It's obvious. And I believe in defending myself, not just letting some prejudice person paint his own picture of me.

Actually , kid, YOU are the only person that regularly refers to anyone as "inferior"--


All I and many otehrs are saying is that if you live in an expensive place, one decision is to live in a less expensive place. I live on the edge of my city because my house cost less than similar ones in the core. I take a bus to work since the cost of parking is too high . I make choices based on the economic realities I face PERIOD.


Why should you or anyone else be any different. Are you saying you are incapable of earning more money?

personally I support the ideas of programs to support people who have physical or mental disabilities and better their standard of living. But for the able-bodied and able minded, suck it up and get a job. If you are going to school and can' t make ends meet, drop one course and work more-- It may take longer but you will get through.


Also again--- what is your definition of "poverty"??

	29-09-2004 00:52									#184
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious No. I said they don't always make more income over time. You said they did.

Most people, barring life changing setbacks, make more money over time. Even in McJobs, the burger flipers get raises--

There are exceptions but the increasing income situation is true for a majority

	29-09-2004 00:56									#185
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious So ****ing what Imran. You're no better than I and you spend way more time here than I. The time I spend here on Poly has nothing to do with my poverty.

He never said he was better than you-- and again how do you define poverty? Is it subjective or is it quantifiable?

quote: Originally posted by Kidicious How the **** does working another job solve the injustice of paying more rent anyway?

err-- you earn the money to pay it. prices rise . .. and in a hot real estate market, they can rise fast-- I believe for renters who have a year lease in Alberta though, rent increases can only be set at renewal (I would have to check but I think thats right). If you are month to month or won't commit to a longer term, you can be more at the mercy of the landlord

	29-09-2004 01:04									#186
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Taking things aways from kid's situation, I do support government initiatives to provide low-cost housing. Often government can provide these places at rents that can recover bare costs for places with the basic amenities. the net result can be fewer homeless at very little government cost.


You will not eliminate "homelessness" though. Some people DO "choose" to be homeless in that they reject all attempts to help them. They drink or smoke any money they get and avoid any assistance programs outside of bare sustenance

	29-09-2004 01:08									#187
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Section 8 housing... it's everywhere, and it's a pretty good investment.

	29-09-2004 01:19									#188
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki Then what the hell do you believe?

I just told you. And you know that. Obviously I think rent is too high. That's what the thread is about. If you're not interested in discussing that then you shouldn't be in this thread.

	29-09-2004 01:25									#190
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By the way, are ya'll alright out there?

quote: PARKFIELD, Calif. - A strong earthquake struck Central California on Tuesday that was felt from San Francisco to the Los Angeles area. There were no immediate reports of injuries. The quake, which struck at 10:15 a.m. PDT, had a preliminary magnitude of 6.0 and was centered 7 miles southeast of Parkfield, the town known as California's earthquake capital, according to the U.S. Geological Survey (news - web sites). The area is 21 miles northeast of Paso Robles, scene of an earthquake that killed two people in December. "I had stuff everywhere... lamps and pictures and stuff on the floor," said Willa Sell, 77, who lives on a ranch outside Parkfield. "I was happy when it was over. It was a real shaker." A series of aftershocks quickly rattled the area, one with a preliminary 5.0 magnitude four minutes after the main earthquake and three others 4.1 or above. A little more than an hour after the main earthquake, a spokesman for the state Office of Emergency Services said the office hadn't received any reports of injury or damage. "The aftershocks are tracking toward the northwest, which is good, according to the scientists, because it appears it is not a precursor to something larger," said Eric Lamoureaux, an emergency services spokesman. The quake was felt along a 350-mile stretch, as far north as San Francisco and as far south as Santa Ana, southeast of Los Angeles, the geological survey said. The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department reported receiving several calls. Parkfield, population 37, is located on the San Andreas fault and it has experienced six similar, magnitude 6.0 earthquakes with apparent regularity — one approximately every 22 years. The USGS (news - web sites) even named its major long-term earthquake research project the Parkfield Experiment. "This is earthquake country. It's a larger earthquake than what usually occurs, but it's not unprecedented," said USGS spokeswoman Stephanie Hanna. "We expect big earthquakes in this area, but don't know when they'll occur." The Dec. 22, 2003, earthquake collapsed old downtown buildings in Paso Robles, pitching an 1892 clock tower building onto the street and crushing a row of parked cars. Two people were killed in the state's first fatal quake since the 6.7-magnitude temblor that hit the Northridge area of Los Angeles in 1994. Since December, many residents of the area have taken precautions to protect their property and valuables from the next inevitable temblor. "I respect them, let's put it that way," Mary Vanderwert, 57, said by telephone Tuesday from her Paso Robles home. She experienced Tuesday's quake as a series of ripples and vibrations. "It just tickled your feet and then all of a sudden it's jerking and then the whips started." The USGS estimate of magnitude was strengthened from 5.8, or "moderate," to 6.0, the threshold for a "strong" earthquake. Preliminary magnitudes are determined by seismographs across the planet, and often change as scientists pinpoint where the epicenter is and interpret the data. A magnitude 5 quake can cause considerable damage and a magnitude 6 quake severe damage, though problems are generally far less severe in remote areas and areas with strong building codes. "We have good architecture and good building codes in California," Hanna said.

	29-09-2004 01:26									#191
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I just told you. And you know that. Obviously I think rent is too high. That's what the thread is about. If you're not interested in discussing that then you shouldn't be in this thread.

Well rents are not immune tothe laws of supply and demand-- Obviously there must be willing renters at the price they charge. There are hundreds of landlords, many of them are working folks that sink their life savings in an investment property . . . and thousands of renters-- its a free market. If your rent is too high, MOVE.

	29-09-2004 01:29									#192
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I felt nothing... but then there's a lot of construction going on here at work... just hope my house is still standing.

	29-09-2004 01:50									#193
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian By the way, are ya'll alright out there?

Strange. I didn't feel anything either. We are east of major faults though.

	29-09-2004 01:52									#194
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Well, that's good then

-Arrian

	29-09-2004 01:52									#195
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Hmmm. That's really strange because that is about 1 hour from here. I was at home, but definitely didn't feel anything.

	29-09-2004 02:39									#196
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Hmmm. That's really strange because that is about 1 hour from here. I was at home, but definitely didn't feel anything.

Perhaps it was a leftist earthquake that only gives the capitalists a shake.
Glad no impacts-- I would hate to hear what you would have to say if your house/apartment fell apart

	29-09-2004 04:07									#197
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola It is our business to tell you your are a an improvident fool to aquire a family to support (or other large expeses) before you can support them, and a whiney ass to complain about the economic cosquence of your bad choices and weakness, and that you deserve your poverty and misery.

I guess his child deserves to be homeless as well

	29-09-2004 04:08									#198
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Felt nothing here either, was in class at the time. Didn't even hear any mention of this until I read this thread.

Anyway, the solution to Kid and us other Californians' housing shortage is to allow more development at higher densities. Detached houses have no place in cities.

	29-09-2004 04:14									#199
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley Felt nothing here either, was in class at the time. Didn't even hear any mention of this until I read this thread. Anyway, the solution to Kid and us other Californians' housing shortage is to allow more development at higher densities. Detached houses have no place in cities.

Yes, I agree. There are solutions, but the real problem is that there is no political will to implement the solutions. Everyone is chasing the dollars. Those will the ability to pay get what they want.

	29-09-2004 04:15									#200
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I must have Lefty on ignore. What a jerk?!

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	29-09-2004 05:09									#201
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Lefty,

Let me show you what happens when you make an assumption based on your prejudice.

You make the assumption that poor people are that way because they are lazy and stupid. Since I have told you my current financial status you label me as stupid and lazy, specifically for having children. What your stupid assumption caused you to do was believe that my financial status was the same 6 years ago when my wife and I decided to have a child. That's when you made an ass out of yourself because my financial status was much better. My rent was about 40% lower and I had a good job.

You make an ass out of yourself when you think you are superior to other people.

Think about it Jerk!

	29-09-2004 05:22									#202
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I don't think I am superior, I know I am... I just don't bother to tell all ya lowly street urchins that.

	29-09-2004 05:34									#203
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Me too Japher. I'm just right, and your not. kidding.

	29-09-2004 20:10									#204
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KId

I still wonder as to your definition of poverty. You keep saying you are in poverty and I wondered what style of living is part of that. Does it involve having enough food? Does it entail living in a house or an apartment?


I will admit to being a bit jaded on the issue since I grew up in Newfoundland Canada ( a poor province with high unemployment) where welfare abuse was almost a sport, it was so common. Also the sense of entitlement was huge as people seemed to figure the governmnent owed them everything. You could see it on the local news where I can remember them interviewing some person complaining about their government-subsidized housing. Whether or not the specific complaint was legitimate I was struck by the fact that the lady was smoking and in the background of the shot I could see a satellite receiver, cd player and soem sort of playstation. Should she have these things? Sure. Just don't expect the taxpayers to pay for them. This type of story was common as were stories of any increase in benefits getting used up by alcohol and tobacco.

	29-09-2004 20:25									#205
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Oh and don't go on and on about "inferiority" or "superiority". People are people. But to me that doesn't mean you necessarily get the same size house as someone else.


Every time in these discussions it always comes back to the same premise though. Kid you seem to think that poverty is something that just happens and people are helpless to do anything about it. I just can't accept that in the majority of cases . People have the ability to better their situation either individually or generationally (again with some exceptions).


If you can't pay your rent, and you are an able adult, thats a result of some choices. They may be good choices or bad, its not for me to say. But as an able individual I would assume that you have the ability to earn an income sufficient to support your family. Why do I assume this? Simply for the fact that millions of Amreicans are accomplishing this feat. They, through their own efforts, pay their rent.

I hope that going back to school works out for you and you end up earning a nice income. But whether you earn 30K, 100K or nothing does not change your worth as a person. Neither does the fact that I think you are an impractical idealist with totally unrealistic exectations of human nature and only the scantiest notion of how to implement your half-baked theories.

	29-09-2004 21:25									#206
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Section 8 housing... it's everywhere, and it's a pretty good investment.

Yeah, but there's less and less every year and there's a ten year waiting list to get on it in some places.

	29-09-2004 22:20									#207
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Yeah, but there's less and less every year and there's a ten year waiting list to get on it in some places.

For the benefit of a non-American, whta is section 8 housing?

I assume its some form of low-income housing but how, generally, does it work?

	29-09-2004 22:22									#208
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Section 8 is subsidized housing for people with low income

Owners of the housing rent out to low income people, and the government covers part of their rent which is set based on area averages.

Investors love it because it is gaurenteed rent, regardless of occupancy.

	29-09-2004 22:45									#209
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Section 8 is subsidized housing for people with low income Owners of the housing rent out to low income people, and the government covers part of their rent which is set based on area averages. Investors love it because it is gaurenteed rent, regardless of occupancy.

Thanks--

we had some similartypes of things in Canada although a lot of the low-icome housing was government owned and the occupants would play income-contingent rents. The problem was that these neighborhoods tended to become a little run down since there was no owner-occupied housing in the area and only a minority of renters would try to spruce up their place ( even in cases where they were there for 10 years or more)

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The same thing occurs around here. However, city planners are getting wise to it and try to intersperse the section 8 with other housing types. I know of one section 8 house and one apartment complex in my area, but the rest isn't. The people who live in those places really do not keep them up, and is saddening. I think the idea was that if they saw the rest of the places being kept up, that they would do the same.