28-09-2004 19:45									#121
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Even within the UCal system? Does the university have married or family housing?

Every place in Cal has higher rent except for Visalia, and there is no college there. Only JC.

	28-09-2004 19:46									#122
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Every place in Cal has higher rent except for Visalia, and there is no college there. Only JC.

What the heck is Jesus Christ doing is Visalia?

	28-09-2004 19:46									#123
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola It is our business to tell you your are a an improvident fool to aquire a family to support (or other large expeses) before you can support them, and a whiney ass to complain about the economic cosquence of your bad choices and weakness, and that you deserve your poverty and misery.

You just have no idea about me, no should you think that you do. I got married 6 years ago for your information. Not that it's any of your business. All you people want to do is find out something to prove what you already believe anyway. It's pointless to continie conversations along these lines.

	28-09-2004 19:48									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian He didn't lose $5000 gambling, fellas. He started a thread where he contemplated taking $5000 (which he apparently had available) and using it to gamble & make money that way. The premise of the thread was "beating the system." He apparently never did that, so I assume he still has the 5 grand. Anyway, in order to give any truely useful advice, we would have to know more about your situation, and I honestly don't think that's info you would/should give out to strangers (your income, your wife's income (if any),your rent, where you live, etc). -Arrian

ARGH! You don't need to know about me. This isn't about me. It's about American! Get over me already! Dang!

	28-09-2004 20:01									#125
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Kid,

Ok, fine, it's not about you then. But we're still stuck "debating" generalities, not specifics. And the devil, as they say, is in the details.

So let's get ourselves some actual details: income stats, rent stats, etc, so we can actually evaluate this.

-Arrian

	28-09-2004 20:09									#126
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At least provide us a zipcode so we can get an idea of what kind of neighborhood this is.

	28-09-2004 20:17									#127
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kid

The problem you are facing is the reason I like canada's system a bit better than that of the US. We have a bigger social safety net. While there are many abuses of the system, a family with children would be provided housing and unemployed persons can usually collect benefits while training for a new job. I think its appropriate and fair for society to soften out the rough edges of a free market to essentially provide a minimum standard of living.

As for Kids personal choices, I agree that he sounds whiny. People don't have a RIGHT to a college education. Also, rent increases suck but they are part of life. But with two adults ( both able bodied ?) you should easily have the capability to earn a few hundred extra dollars a month. When I was in college I worked in a fast food joint and was a computer lab assistant. The fast food job ate up my Friday night but got me some discounted pizza while the lab job was an easy way to get paid to study.

In Canada there are programs to help college students. There are government loans, bursaries, outright grants etc and then banks are also usually willing to lend some money to folks in programs with good prospects. Is none of this avaialble in California?

	28-09-2004 20:24									#128
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious It's not my responsibility. I've done everything possible to get out of poverty. I've worked, saved, trained and kissed a lot of ass. You've only assumed that I'm inferior to you.

I only assume you earn less or have less money . I assume no inferiority. Some people have more money than others; it does not make them "better" in any way.


Also . . . What is your definition of "poverty"? From what I see, you have an internet connection, $5000 at least, a two-adult family unit AND ample time to come on the internet and argue these things.

Personally I have little sympathy for someone that appears to spend a couple of hours a day on 'poly claiming how poor they are.

	28-09-2004 20:26									#129
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quote: Personally I have little sympathy for someone that appears to spend a couple of hours a day on 'poly claiming how poor they are.

Bingo... and that's the main problem. Instead of say a 10 hour a week job, he is posting for hours and hours on Poly every day. If he was out on the street and didn't have time to post on Poly, we'd feel much more sympathy.

	28-09-2004 20:37									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious What responsibility is it of an individual when his or her rent increases?

Cost increases are a reality, and a predictable reality. The individual's responsibility is to take appropriate action.

	28-09-2004 20:38									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber People don't have a RIGHT to a college education.

But we should have one.

	28-09-2004 20:39									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Personally I have little sympathy for someone that appears to spend a couple of hours a day on 'poly claiming how poor they are. Bingo... and that's the main problem. Instead of say a 10 hour a week job, he is posting for hours and hours on Poly every day. If he was out on the street and didn't have time to post on Poly, we'd feel much more sympathy.

Not necessarily. It is possible to multitask with a PC you know. Do your homework on one screen while keeping Poly open in another.

	28-09-2004 20:39									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Prices don't naturally rise. There is planning. Rent increases are planned.

Usually it's a response to increasing costs, or to market conditions. Getting a raise, cutting your expenses, moving, and other actions on your part are also planned, not naturally occuring, so WTF is your point?

	28-09-2004 20:41									#134
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I was listening to Michael Medved yesterday and he claimed a stat I have not been able to confirm. He claimed social mobility within the US is unparraleled within the known world. Namely given a population within or below poverty line after 10 years 80% of that population are no longer below poverty line. Whats more statistically speaking of the population it is far more likely that they will be in the higher(est) tax brackets than below poverty line. Again I don't know of what study these claims originate and so can not prove or disprove.

	28-09-2004 20:43									#135
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You know, this thread kinda reminds me of a conversation I had with my one hippie friend (she hates it when I call her that, but she spent five years following the remnents of the Dead, Phish, and other such bands, what else do I call her?). She said there's no reason for people to go hungry in this country when you can easily raid a grocery store's dumpster for food.

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	28-09-2004 20:48									#136
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe [G]iven a population within or below poverty line after 10 years 80% of that population are no longer below poverty line.

I think that's misleading. How much money do we make while we're in college? We're mostly pretty freakin' poor while going to school, and once out of college get decent jobs that put us in the "middle class." If we remove people who are temproarily "slumming it," I think the tendency is for poor people to stay poor, hence the large pools of generationally poor Blacks and rural whites.

quote: Whats more statistically speaking of the population it is far more likely that they will be in the higher(est) tax brackets than below poverty line. Again I don't know of what study these claims originate and so can not prove or disprove.

That's crap. Most wage earners are in the 2nd or third tier from the bottom. I made more than the average family income last year and I was still only in the third income bracket from the bottom.

	28-09-2004 20:53									#137
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Like I said I don't have the study to refer to.

OTOH, regardless if the study was a comparison vs. the rest of the world the details become normalized as presumably youth (students) in other countries suffer from economic hardship equally.

	28-09-2004 21:34									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe He claimed social mobility within the US is unparraleled within the known world.

Who cares? It's an insignificant non-issue.

	28-09-2004 21:40									#139
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Usually it's a response to increasing costs, or to market conditions. Getting a raise, cutting your expenses, moving, and other actions on your part are also planned, not naturally occuring, so WTF is your point?

Rent has very little to do with costs. The costs are less than have of the rent.

quote: Getting a raise, cutting your expenses, moving, and other actions on your part are also planned, not naturally occuring, so WTF is your point?

One I have some control over and one I don't. If you will notice this thread is about rent and the inability of owners of older model mobile homes to find a lot. It's not about me getting a raise or any of that other crap that you keep mentioning. You would love to make this about me, and try to make me look like a bum, but this thread isn't about that. Too bad you can't start a thread like that, huh? Is that why you keep trying to jack this one?

	28-09-2004 21:42									#140
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Cost increases are a reality, and a predictable reality. The individual's responsibility is to take appropriate action.

WTF!? Yeah, I'm going to kill that greedy bastard. That's a solution. Like it? I didn't think so.

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I have a buddy who works in Visalia and lives in Fresno, it's only an hour away. Firebaugh, Kerman, Lemore, Sanger... tons of little hodunk towns around there that should have cheaper rent. Though I haven't lived in Fresno for over a decade now.

Armstrong and Getty (radio dudes) had this guy on this morning:



He says that it takes hard work, determination, and dedication to succeedededd in life (spelling wasn't on that list that I remememeber).

	28-09-2004 21:44									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Personally I have little sympathy for someone that appears to spend a couple of hours a day on 'poly claiming how poor they are. Bingo... and that's the main problem. Instead of say a 10 hour a week job, he is posting for hours and hours on Poly every day. If he was out on the street and didn't have time to post on Poly, we'd feel much more sympathy.

Once again you don't know anything about it. You don't even know how long I'm here. It's not nearly that often, and it certainly isn't when I have something more productive to do.

	28-09-2004 21:49									#143
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Kid, Ok, fine, it's not about you then. But we're still stuck "debating" generalities, not specifics. And the devil, as they say, is in the details.

No. People don't want to talk about the problem. This is nothing more than a thread jack. I don't really care, because it only supports my case. You want to do it fine. Then I will keep pointing out the obvious.

quote: So let's get ourselves some actual details: income stats, rent stats, etc, so we can actually evaluate this. -Arrian

You don't beleive me? I will post some stuff here, but why don't you believe me? When people's rents go up life sucks. It doesn't have to be that way. It's that way because poor people are a minority in this country. They are treated unfairly and taken advantage of.

	28-09-2004 21:50									#144
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quote: Originally posted by Japher I have a buddy who works in Visalia and lives in Fresno, it's only an hour away. Firebaugh, Kerman, Lemore, Sanger... tons of little hodunk towns around there that should have cheaper rent. Though I haven't lived in Fresno for over a decade now. Armstrong and Getty (radio dudes) had this guy on this morning:

The rent is less than 5% cheaper, but I may be able to find a place there. That's what's important.

	28-09-2004 21:50									#145
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious WTF!? Yeah, I'm going to kill that greedy bastard. That's a solution. Like it? I didn't think so.

I don't really care, since nobody I know is in Fresno. You would get three hots and a cot and not have to worry about paying rent, ever, though.

I said "appropriate" action, anyway.

**** happens. Deal with it.

	28-09-2004 21:51									#146
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley At least provide us a zipcode so we can get an idea of what kind of neighborhood this is.

I'm not talking about a zipcode. I'm talking about the whole country.

Wow! I'm sorry but you are a little out of touch with this problem.

	28-09-2004 21:53									#147
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat I don't really care, since nobody I know is in Fresno. You would get three hots and a cot and not have to worry about paying rent, ever, though. I said "appropriate" action, anyway. **** happens. Deal with it.

There is no action. I already told you that I pay the least amount of rent possible. YOU AREN"T LISTENING! YOU DON'T WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE SIMPLE TRUTHS!

	28-09-2004 21:58									#148
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What?

Actually, I just indicated a willingness to discuss the problem (which, I *think* is the issue of rent vs. income, and how rent increases effect rentors). But not without hard information. Vague statements like "it sucks when your rent goes up" are not very useful if one actually wants to take a problem seriously and attempt to evaluate and address it.

Frankly, I don't want to look up income levels vs. rent costs (if that info is even available). So screw it. You believe what you believe and I'll believe what I believe, with neither one of us basing our opinions on anything other than personal experience + underlying assumptions - aka our ideologies.

-Arrian

	28-09-2004 22:00									#149
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quote: YOU AREN"T LISTENING! YOU DON'T WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE SIMPLE TRUTHS!

What the HELL are you talking about?

-Arrian

	28-09-2004 22:02									#150
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Most of what I make goes to rent, but that is what happens when you live where I do.

Fresno has relatively low cost of living, but since the tech collapse has been inflated as all the dot com'ers moved out of silicon valley, dumping their million dollar homes onto ppl who can actually afford them, and buying up real estate in the Fresno and Reno areas. Fresno has seen real estate prices go up almost 100% in the past 4 years, and ppl are getting greedy.

I can see why Kid is having a problem.

It's all them damn illegals living in Fresno taking up all the good jobs!