29-09-2004 17:25									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: You honestly think the two (USA and Saudi) are comparable? No. The United States is a tolerant country, while Saudi Arabia is a pseudo-Islamist state chock-full of anti-Semitic ****tards. We're better than they are, which is exactly my point.

But there are more tolerant "pseudo-Islamist" states than Saudi Arabia.

	29-09-2004 17:36									#32
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quote: No. The United States is a tolerant country, while Saudi Arabia is a pseudo-Islamist state chock-full of anti-Semitic ****tards. We're better than they are, which is exactly my point.

And that subjective opinion had absolutely nothing to do with my argument anyway!

	29-09-2004 17:38									#33
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Who cares about your "argument"? I certainly don't. I was dealing with Drogue's misleading analogy...

	29-09-2004 17:43									#34
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These people don't have any fantasy at all. They could have come up with much better (and nastier) punchlines:

"I would dip my hand into pig's blood or anything similarily un-cosher, first."

"Yes, I would give them a handshake with a concealed electrode rigged to a car battery. Zap!"

"If he was hanging from a cliff, you bet I'd give him a handshake. A good one too."

"I would take off my wedding ring first. It's precious to me."

	29-09-2004 17:45									#35
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quote: Who cares about your "argument"? I certainly don't. I was dealing with Drogue's misleading analogy...

I take it that if you don't want to address my argument, I take it that you concede? And you fail to show how Drogue was misleading. I don't think many people would concur with that assessment. Furthermore, my argument was to the effect that it wasn't misleading, which, as you don't want to address it, you do concede! So thus, you must also concede that his analogy holds.

	29-09-2004 17:48									#36
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Saying that "Israelis talking about Palestinians" is the opposite of "Saudis talking about Jews" is obviously misleading...

quote: I take it that if you don't want to address my argument

What argument? All I saw was some anecdotal comments about the differences between Islam and Judaism. Then again, I don't really read your posts, so maybe I missed it...

	29-09-2004 17:48									#37
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Seriously now, if you find this stuff alarming, stop and think that the Israelis and the Americans are currently doing the best they can to prove those prejudiced people correct. State and religious propaganda cannot hold unless there is some evident truth behind it. And that truth is shown on the evening news, every day.

	29-09-2004 17:50									#38
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quote: Saying that "Israelis talking about Palestinians" is opposite as "Saudis talking about Jews" is obviously misleading...

That is not the case for the reasons that I posted, that you were so eager to reject without addressing.

	29-09-2004 18:22									#39
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I already have, more times than I can count...

I have no doubts this is real, sadly. The only question I would have of veracity is if they really got man in the street answers, or just handpicked some people before hand to give stock answers.

	29-09-2004 18:53									#40
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Would you, as a freedom fries eater, in this land of the free, tolerant, open minded, propaganda-immune country, be Willing to Shake Hands with a French?

What kind of [emotional] answers could a USA TV have gotten some months/years ago?

I don't believe it is an hoax.

	29-09-2004 18:59									#41
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Would you be willing to shake hands with William Shatner?
David Hasselhoff? (Germans need not answer this question - we already know )
Elton John?
Robert Mugabe? ()
Michael Schumacher?

	29-09-2004 20:43									#42
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quote: The only question I would have of veracity is if they really got man in the street answers, or just handpicked some people before hand to give stock answers.

Considering Suadi newspapers regularly run stories about "Expose: Jews use children's blood in matza bread", and the Protocols of Zion is a best seller (as it is also in Egypt and Syria)...

I think this poll is reliable.

Even if it is edited, it clearly shows what the Saudi state TV thinks the answer should be.

	29-09-2004 20:49									#43
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quote: stop and think that the Israelis and the Americans are currently doing the best they can to prove those prejudiced people correct. State and religious propaganda cannot hold unless there is some evident truth behind it. And that truth is shown on the evening news, every day.

Boils down to:

quote: stop and think that the World Jewery and the Brittish are currently doing the best they can to prove Nazi claims of Jewish agressiveness correct. State and ethnical propaganda cannot hold unless there is some evident truth behind it. And that truth is shown on Nazi newsreals, every day.

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to point:

You already know that the common folk in arab states get slanted, and sometimes fabricated news.
An undercover israeli reporter during the war in Iraq, once showed how al-Jazeera faked a story.

Saying "fighting them would only prove their prejudic is right" is very nice and evolved, but the prejudice existed long before the Iraq war and before the 67 occupation and even before the state of Israel.

Many arab leaders (including Palestinian prominent leader grand-mufti Husseini) had ties with the Nazis and expressed open support of their cause to rid europe and the middle east of Jews. The propoganda is rooted ever since.

	29-09-2004 20:51									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Dry Would you, as a freedom fries eater, in this land of the free, tolerant, open minded, propaganda-immune country, be Willing to Shake Hands with a French? What kind of [emotional] answers could a USA TV have gotten some months/years ago? I don't believe it is an hoax.

Without a doubt, nearly all Americans would have been willing to shake a french person's hand.

	29-09-2004 20:52									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Who cares about your "argument"? I certainly don't. I was dealing with Drogue's misleading analogy...

As is yours about the US. The US is not a Jewish nation, Saudi Arabia is an Islamic one. You'd need to compare the opinions of the people of a Jewish nation towrds the Palestinians for it to be a fair comparison.

	29-09-2004 20:58									#46
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I've happily done more than shake a Jewish man's hand.

	29-09-2004 21:04									#47
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Molly! Welcome back... how was the trip?

	29-09-2004 21:13									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Molly! Welcome back... how was the trip?

I'm in London now- cancelled New Zealand and came here instead. Will send details when I have more time- am posting from what is amusingly described as an internet cafe in Balaam Street, Plaistow E13.

Must dash- I'm off to Soho for a Chinese meal and have to get back and change.

T.T.F.N.

	29-09-2004 21:15									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Natalinasmpf When they asked this question, did they mean Jew as in the racial context, or Jew in the religious context?

both the pals and israelis are semites.

	29-09-2004 21:19									#50
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quote: I'm in London now- cancelled New Zealand and came here instead. Will send details when I have more time- am posting from what is amusingly described as an internet cafe in Balaam Street, Plaistow E13. Must dash- I'm off to Soho for a Chinese meal and have to get back and change. T.T.F.N.

Man, you are a spontaneous fellow, aren't you? Well have fun eating English Chinese food! Don't forget to pester Ned-ites when you get back .

	29-09-2004 21:32									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer the jews/israelis did kind of start the whole thing though...

I'm Jewish, and I don't have an UZI to kill Arabs on sight. What should I do?

	29-09-2004 21:37									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue I'd like to see what happens if that question is asked the other way, whether a settler would shake hands with a Palestinian. Everyone knows they hate each other, they blow themselves up to try to get the land, and the Israeli's blow up houses to try to keep the land. I'd be surprised if many people at all on either side would be willing to shake hands with the other. I'd be like asking someone during a war to shake hands with the other side, most people would baulk at the idea. Moreso here, because religion is involved too, so that's an extra set of reasons not to.

We don't know where the article was shot. If it was in Palestine, I can understand. But there are some things that clue me into thinking it has been shot outside of Palestine, probably in Saudi Arabia (the country of the TV network).

It does mean these people extend the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to a wholly racial one, between all Muslims and all Jews

	29-09-2004 22:38									#53
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The desendants of Ishmial are a plauge on the human race.

	29-09-2004 22:44									#54
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"Of course, so I wouldn't have to consider amputating my hand afterwards."

That guy was very clever... I'll get the knife.

	29-09-2004 22:47									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood The desendants of Ishmial are a plauge on the human race.

What about those Arabs I know who shake my hand? Do they deserve a "cure" as well?

	29-09-2004 22:53									#56
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quote: What about those Arabs I know who shake my hand? Do they deserve a "cure" as well?

Does this mean that you diagree that they are a plauge of humankind?

	29-09-2004 22:56									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood Does this mean that you diagree that they are a plauge of humankind?

Duh. Mankind is its own plague. Arabs are able of as much hatred and stupidity as any other population. The brainwashers happen to be even stronger in the Middle East than elsewhere though.

	29-09-2004 22:57									#58
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Religion is the plague of mankind

	29-09-2004 22:57									#59
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I'd say we can be pretty sure it's from somewhere in Saudi Arabia. It's an Saudi-channel and it doesn't say anywhere that the clip isn't from there.

I have to 'serious' reflections on this:

1) My gut instinct is that they wouldn't get the same responses in Palestine. Why? Because the chances are that a random palestinian at some time have had peaceful contacts with a jew. It's ironic as saudis that do not have any real reason to hate jews can demonize them even more as they do not have to face reality.

2) Would any in Saudi arabia really say "Sure, jews are just like you and me!" to a TV-camera even if that's their real opinion? Not that i have a clue about their real opinions, but that strikes me as a possibility.

As I said, this is just some personal reflections, I don't really know if they have any basis in reality. But when has posts in the OT had anything to do with reality anyhow?

	29-09-2004 22:58									#60
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If anyone should have more hatred it is the native Americans.
Ya don't see them blowing up schools killing children.