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Gibsie is offline Gibsie
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That guy looks like Borat. And the interview seems like a Borat segment. Yet it isn't...

Kuciwalker is offline Kuciwalker
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quote:
Originally posted by Heresson
Btw, don't argue with Kuci.
He's just trolling


Clearly I'm completely serious.

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  Old Post 30-09-2004 05:34
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Heresson, I was just repeating one of the morans who got interviewed.

Hopefully this was just a piece of propaganda and not a representative selection of Saudis. But I wouldn't bet on it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Clearly I'm completely serious.


Jydging on Your other posts, I wouldn't be suprised



Ganger: I know!
(don't hit me!}

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  Old Post 30-09-2004 07:33
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I saw this thread title and thought it was toast. My little game thread was closed by Rah after a few posts (**** knows why BTW) but this thread is onto 4 pages so far. Oh, the inequity of poly OT :sigh:

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quote:
Originally posted by Whaleboy
You do have to laugh at some of these people. Makes you think about the kind of f**k ups that make them think that .


European media?

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quote:
Originally posted by Whaleboy
I don't think it's a hoax. I do think, bare in mind also that I'm Jewish, that the best reaction to this is not a politically correct post-holocaust reactionary "omfg teh anti-semitics lets bomb them and rid these people from the face of the Earth and correct them of their *wrong* opinions" because really, in effect, that's exactly the same that they do in terms of their attitude.

I think the best course of action is to understand why they think like that, and address it.

Bare in mind most of them are uneducated, not particularly clever people, impressionable to what they are told, both directly and culturally. The two real problems here are the conditions in which they have lived, which creates a tinderbox for the second problem of a few number of extremist idiots who start lighting fires, so to speak. Change what it is that has made them think that.


That was a pretty racist comment if I may be so bold.

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  Old Post 30-09-2004 08:09
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It's human nature to hate those who have resources we want. It feels good to hate, and it's solidifying to have a common enemy.

I bet there wouldn't be one person here, bending over backwards, voicing their disapproval, who does not feel pleasure playing games like Civ, fighting enemies and acquiring their territory. If it feels good in a game, then all the more should it feel good in reality. Instincts that work in our favour usually feel good.

It's human nature - get over it. More importantly, try to recognise where your discriminations may lie. It might not be towards gay eskimoes, so give yourself a big pat on the back. But such feelings would be there somewhere, waiting to come out.

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  Old Post 30-09-2004 08:10
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BTW, what Prophet did the Jews kill. Several of the respondents made that allegation.

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Jesus?

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Albert, you made a very natural point when you said that 'the whole thing started' when the state of Israel was established.
However, I think that having such an action to be like an 'original sin' that can't be wiped off is a ridiculous idea. If so, Germans and French would hate each completely, and the same with many other ethnic groups that today live in peace.
Why? Because they have had tolerance bred into them at an early age. That hasn't happened in Saudi Arabia, not because of the creation of Israel, but rather because it's rulers, and indeed its extremist form of Islam, is anti-semitic. It's a fundamentalist regime where many ordinary have been brainwashed to hate Jews, and for them its as normal as 2+2=4. The world spins on its axis, and the Jews are trying to take over the world. It's one of their axioms.

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quote:
Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Jesus?


I think you are right.

It would be interesting to see if any of these Jew-haters would know of the early alliance of Jews with the Arabs against the Romans/Christians. That resulted in very good relations between Jew and Muslim that lasted for a very long time.

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  Old Post 30-09-2004 08:56
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I would shake the hand of a Jew, but only after vivisecting it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Oncle Boris
I would shake the hand of a Jew, but only after vivisecting it.


I'm sorry Oncle Boris, but that remark was in extremely poor taste.

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Don't say that! Edit it before He sees that!
His words are backed with a phallic symbol!
(IAW, what did You expect? )

Albert Speer is offline Albert Speer
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It would be interesting to see if any of these Jew-haters would know of the early alliance of Jews with the Arabs against the Romans/Christians. That resulted in very good relations between Jew and Muslim that lasted for a very long time.


blah? what the hell are you talking about? if you're talking about the city of Yathrib's acceptance of the early converts, that was hardly an alliance against anyone but the Quarish

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  Old Post 30-09-2004 09:46
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no, no, I think He means Jews supported Muslims in their early conquests - which is true

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Speer, I was thinking mainly of Jerusalem, 632, and of Gothic Espania, 710-....

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as did Coptics... Nestorians... Monophysites... what's the point?

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Copts revolted against Muslim sevral times just a bit later.

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And the point is none of these are hated today

Oh, btw, what do You say about Banu Qurayza?

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quote:
Originally posted by Drogue

As is yours about the US. The US is not a Jewish nation, Saudi Arabia is an Islamic one. You'd need to compare the opinions of the people of a Jewish nation towrds the Palestinians for it to be a fair comparison.


I've never met an Israeli who had never shaken an Arab's hand. But don't let me shatter your cherished illusion that the reason that so many Arabs are extreme bigots is because of the existence of a place 99% have never been, or the actions of a group of people 99% have never met.

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Actually, you did see such things in the 19th Century. On the ever expanding (or contracting depending on which side of it you lived), American Indians practiced warfare every bit as savage as the Americans. We just had guns and numbers on our side, and we could wipe out their food source and kill 90% of their population. When 9 out of every 10 people are killed, your will to fight is broken.

I hope you aren't suggesting we should committ genocide.


Heavens no, it's much cheaper to pay or induce others to commit genocide.

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Yes they did.
Mass emmigration of Jews organised by zionist movement started before ww2

Still, it reminds me my favourite quote of Khomeini.
"Those who claim they believe in Jesus say He's said: //give your second cheek for a blow//. Absurd. Jesus would've never said that.
He'd rather deal with such person the way Moses dealed with Egyptians"


By running away to Israel?

Sikander is offline Sikander
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quote:
Originally posted by Oncle Boris
I would shake the hand of a Jew, but only after vivisecting it.


I'd like to think you are referring to the hand, but I'm not sure that you aren't referring to the Jew instead.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ned
European media?


The Saudis listen to that bastion of liberalism, the BBC?

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quote:
Originally posted by Ned
I'm sorry Oncle Boris, but that remark was in extremely poor taste.


Did you miss my posts?

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quote:
Originally posted by Sikander


By running away to Israel?


No, He ment plagues.
I think He evcen said that explicitely.

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Wow Heresson, what's your second favourite quote by Khomeini? The first was a beauty!


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I've heard about one more, a fatwa about one sexual uh problem...
But I doubt its athenticy, it looks like a joke, if Iran wasn't such a strange state I would never even think of that it may be true, and anyway it's a family-friendly site

 
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