29-09-2004 16:35									#1
	Would You, as a Human Being, be Willing to Shake Hands with a Jew? Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

God, I really hope this is a hoax...

http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD79104

	29-09-2004 16:36									#2
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I already have...hope it is ok (now to read the thing)

	29-09-2004 16:37									#3
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Oh just read it. Dumbasses.

	29-09-2004 16:40									#4
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That would depend on where the Jew's hand had been.

	29-09-2004 16:44									#5
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yeah right... like an arab would be even able to get close enough before being shot at with UZIs or shelled with artillery...

	29-09-2004 16:53									#6
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When they asked this question, did they mean Jew as in the racial context, or Jew in the religious context?

	29-09-2004 16:55									#7
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Does it matter?

What a bunch of asses.

	29-09-2004 16:56									#8
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the jews/israelis did kind of start the whole thing though...

	29-09-2004 16:56									#9
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I'm under the slight impression that - if it is not a hoax - most of the people who give such answers do not really care about those little details.

	29-09-2004 17:00									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer the jews/israelis did kind of start the whole thing though...

When? By the way, if you write more than a single paragraph in reply, then I'll only read the first one. I don't want yet another tirade here.

	29-09-2004 17:00									#12
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You do have to laugh at some of these people. Makes you think about the kind of f**k ups that make them think that .

	29-09-2004 17:01									#13
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quote: if it is not a hoax

I seriously doubt that it's a hoax; I was just hoping against hope that something this vile couldn't be true.

	29-09-2004 17:03									#14
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duke:

the creation of the state of israeli started this whole mess... duh

	29-09-2004 17:03									#15
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I'd like to see what happens if that question is asked the other way, whether a settler would shake hands with a Palestinian.

Everyone knows they hate each other, they blow themselves up to try to get the land, and the Israeli's blow up houses to try to keep the land. I'd be surprised if many people at all on either side would be willing to shake hands with the other. I'd be like asking someone during a war to shake hands with the other side, most people would baulk at the idea. Moreso here, because religion is involved too, so that's an extra set of reasons not to.

Big wow, enemies won't shake each other's hands

	29-09-2004 17:05									#16
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But the Jews/Israelis didn't actually create the state, or decide where it was going to be did they?
Hell, they weren't even organised enough at the time to do so even had they wanted to, and it's understandable given all that the European Jews had been through.

	29-09-2004 17:05									#17
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I don't think it's a hoax. I do think, bare in mind also that I'm Jewish, that the best reaction to this is not a politically correct post-holocaust reactionary "omfg teh anti-semitics lets bomb them and rid these people from the face of the Earth and correct them of their *wrong* opinions" because really, in effect, that's exactly the same that they do in terms of their attitude.

I think the best course of action is to understand why they think like that, and address it.

Bare in mind most of them are uneducated, not particularly clever people, impressionable to what they are told, both directly and culturally. The two real problems here are the conditions in which they have lived, which creates a tinderbox for the second problem of a few number of extremist idiots who start lighting fires, so to speak. Change what it is that has made them think that.

	29-09-2004 17:07									#18
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Drogue:

It all stinks.

	29-09-2004 17:08									#19
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It's bear in mind Elijah!

Bare is mind is like Zhang Ziyi in mine.

	29-09-2004 17:08									#20
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quote: I'd like to see what happens if that question is asked the other way, whether a settler would shake hands with a Palestinian.

This broadcast is from Saudi Arabia, so the proper "other way" would be something like asking an American Jew if they would be willing to shake hands with an Arab. If they replied that they would have to cut their hands off if they did, your point might have merit...

	29-09-2004 17:09									#21
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bare in mind... hahaha... *tear* whaleboy doesn't know how to write english

	29-09-2004 17:11									#23
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quote: But the Jews/Israelis didn't actually create the state, or decide where it was going to be did they? Hell, they weren't even organised enough at the time to do so even had they wanted to, and it's understandable given all that the European Jews had been through.

I don't think a detailed discussion of the creation of the state of Israel is appropriate here. I could rattle on and on about the foolishness, the flawed biblical prophecy (lev 18:26 *points and laughs*). What they did do is **** it up in terms of relations with the Arabs which were not a lost cause at the time and now both sides are making scapegoats of the other.

	29-09-2004 17:14									#24
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quote: It's bear in mind Elijah!

quote: bare in mind... hahaha... *tear* whaleboy doesn't know how to write english

*Blushes*. I really am a sucker for auto-correct today

quote: This broadcast is from Saudi Arabia, so the proper "other way" would be something like asking an American Jew if they would be willing to shake hands with an Arab. If they replied that they would have to cut their hands off if they did, your point might have merit...

You honestly think the two (USA and Saudi) are comparable? . Islam operates on a completely different basis to Judaism in terms of solidarity with fellow members of the religion, whereas in Judaism we have little hesistation in criticising other Jews when we think they're in the wrong (as long as the "chosen people" card isn't played, which is generally only with regards to Israel specifically these days)

	29-09-2004 17:20									#25
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As the ridiculous this all seems to all (almost) all of us, it's sadly not as uncommon as I would hope. It's not that uncommon also on apolyton, it seems quite hard for some posters to tell the difference between the actions of a state and its citizens sometimes. i'm not mentioning any names though.

	29-09-2004 17:21									#26
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I demand names!

	29-09-2004 17:23									#27
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quote: You honestly think the two (USA and Saudi) are comparable?

No. The United States is a tolerant country, while Saudi Arabia is a pseudo-Islamist state chock-full of anti-Semitic ****tards. We're better than they are, which is exactly my point.

	29-09-2004 17:23									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer the creation of the state of israeli started this whole mess... duh

I was trying to think of an amusing response to your blatant lie, but couldn't think of one. So instead I'm just going to say no, you are wrong, the creation of the Israeli state is not the origin of poor relations between Arabs and Jews. Please read a history book.

	29-09-2004 17:25									#29
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Never. Jews are filthy, dirty people.

	29-09-2004 17:25									#30
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Didn't bother with the link, but to reply on the question in the thread title: I have already done it, it was no different at all.